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Started by Strick9, May 16, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Strick9 on May 19, 2016, 12:12:31 AMHog,It would seem that the Ouachita has a very well managed and applied plan with a specific goal announced as compared to what I am up against at the moment. Are you currently working directly on that project and if so in what parameter? If you would rather not say publicly feel free to pm me.I can't disagree with the excerpts you posted except for pointing to my area where the same areas that once held suitable nesting habitat are burned year after year thus not allowing the desired habitat for nesting to ever be utilized by the Turkey, or other ground nesting birds, low brush nesting birds etc.
Quote from: HogBiologist on May 16, 2016, 05:41:58 PMHaving been on a USFS burn crew and a biologist, this OP has no understanding of Rx burning and the dynamics of it. The Ping Pong ball ignition is used in remote area where personal are hard pressed to reach remote areas. With short burning weather Windows, and large areas that need rotational burning, they must employ all available techniques to get burns on the ground. Also, the forest service is in the business of forestry. No in the business of wildlife. That is the USFWS. They are burning for forest production. Managing for good timber often contradicts good wildlife management. Just look at timber companies.
Quote from: DC1. on May 29, 2016, 05:54:03 PMQuote from: HogBiologist on May 16, 2016, 05:41:58 PMHaving been on a USFS burn crew and a biologist, this OP has no understanding of Rx burning and the dynamics of it. The Ping Pong ball ignition is used in remote area where personal are hard pressed to reach remote areas. With short burning weather Windows, and large areas that need rotational burning, they must employ all available techniques to get burns on the ground. Also, the forest service is in the business of forestry. No in the business of wildlife. That is the USFWS. They are burning for forest production. Managing for good timber often contradicts good wildlife management. Just look at timber companies.In your post you say the forest service is not in the business of wildlife so why are there wildlife management areas inside the National Forrest?
Quote from: nativeks on May 29, 2016, 06:47:31 PMQuote from: DC1. on May 29, 2016, 05:54:03 PMQuote from: HogBiologist on May 16, 2016, 05:41:58 PMHaving been on a USFS burn crew and a biologist, this OP has no understanding of Rx burning and the dynamics of it. The Ping Pong ball ignition is used in remote area where personal are hard pressed to reach remote areas. With short burning weather Windows, and large areas that need rotational burning, they must employ all available techniques to get burns on the ground. Also, the forest service is in the business of forestry. No in the business of wildlife. That is the USFWS. They are burning for forest production. Managing for good timber often contradicts good wildlife management. Just look at timber companies.In your post you say the forest service is not in the business of wildlife so why are there wildlife management areas inside the National Forrest?The forest service is not in the wildlife business. That is their problem. They have to pander to everybody. Off road atv users, loggers, nature lovers, hikers, hunters, fisherman, wilderness folks, etc.I worked 5 years on a USFWS prescribed fire crew. I also burn a bunch with friends in the spring. USFWS mission is simple and makes it easy to accomplish that mission. We put alot of fire on the ground. Helicopters don't use a napalm like substance. The balls are filled with pottasium permaganate and injected with ethylene glycol to set off an exothermic reaction. We used to play hand ball with them on severity assignments. Delay time is the amount of glycol injected. We used the chopper twice. Both times it was unsafe to put people interior so we lit the edges and allowed the helicopter to burn out the interior. One burn was 12k acres and the other 3k.Kansas is considered a top turkey state correct? A large portion burns every year. This year in a few county are 2.5 million acres were lit. I burn my place every year. Next year will be a burn as late as I can get it into May if I think it will still carry fire. Late growing season burns are the best for killing brush in my experience.
Quote from: DC1. on May 29, 2016, 11:55:08 PMQuote from: nativeks on May 29, 2016, 06:47:31 PMQuote from: DC1. on May 29, 2016, 05:54:03 PMQuote from: HogBiologist on May 16, 2016, 05:41:58 PMHaving been on a USFS burn crew and a biologist, this OP has no understanding of Rx burning and the dynamics of it. The Ping Pong ball ignition is used in remote area where personal are hard pressed to reach remote areas. With short burning weather Windows, and large areas that need rotational burning, they must employ all available techniques to get burns on the ground. Also, the forest service is in the business of forestry. No in the business of wildlife. That is the USFWS. They are burning for forest production. Managing for good timber often contradicts good wildlife management. Just look at timber companies.In your post you say the forest service is not in the business of wildlife so why are there wildlife management areas inside the National Forrest?The forest service is not in the wildlife business. That is their problem. They have to pander to everybody. Off road atv users, loggers, nature lovers, hikers, hunters, fisherman, wilderness folks, etc.I worked 5 years on a USFWS prescribed fire crew. I also burn a bunch with friends in the spring. USFWS mission is simple and makes it easy to accomplish that mission. We put alot of fire on the ground. Helicopters don't use a napalm like substance. The balls are filled with pottasium permaganate and injected with ethylene glycol to set off an exothermic reaction. We used to play hand ball with them on severity assignments. Delay time is the amount of glycol injected. We used the chopper twice. Both times it was unsafe to put people interior so we lit the edges and allowed the helicopter to burn out the interior. One burn was 12k acres and the other 3k.Kansas is considered a top turkey state correct? A large portion burns every year. This year in a few county are 2.5 million acres were lit. I burn my place every year. Next year will be a burn as late as I can get it into May if I think it will still carry fire. Late growing season burns are the best for killing brush in my experience.They should call them Timber Management Areas then!
Quote from: albrubacker on May 16, 2016, 01:05:02 PMWell written! Well written but I think turkeys are having a lot of problems now being avid turkey hunter for the past 40 years mainly ( North& Middle ga ) In my oberservations Turkey numbers here in the North Ga area peaked in the mid 90ss. Since then have saw a steady decline in numbers in the farming areas it used to be I would see several flocks in must of the big cattle farms around this area. But with increase in Poultry farms& spreading of chicken litter on the fields for fertilizer I started noticing a decline in the turkey numbers.Also in this area of Northeast ga started seeing a high numbers of predators Coyotes. and a big increase in wild hogs thanks to these rednecks turning them loose all over the state which are also nest predators. Just these past season found evidence of 3 nest destroyed by predators.