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Started by Greg Massey, April 27, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 28, 2016, 09:27:15 PMAmen to what Wild Tiger Trout said. If you want to really learn how to turkey hunt you do have to hunt them old school without decoys or any visual aid. You will learn more turkey hunting one season the way they were intended to be hunted with just calling and woodsmanship than you will in 5 or 10 seasons of decoying birds in.
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2016, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 28, 2016, 09:27:15 PMAmen to what Wild Tiger Trout said. If you want to really learn how to turkey hunt you do have to hunt them old school without decoys or any visual aid. You will learn more turkey hunting one season the way they were intended to be hunted with just calling and woodsmanship than you will in 5 or 10 seasons of decoying birds in.One way is learning how to hunt them while the other is how to buy them. The choice is up to the individual.
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Quote from: g8rvet on April 28, 2016, 01:01:41 PMWe are all hunting for sport. That, to me, means I am hunting to enjoy the process. If killing the turkey is not the ultimate end goal, then why bother with a gun? But when I am competing in the turkey woods, I am competing with the turkey. Not with other turkey hunters. I could care less if someone thinks I am a good turkey hunter. I could care less if someone approves of my methods of turkey hunting. On the flip side, I don't care how others (legally) turkey hunt as long as it does not affect my hunting (nor mine, theirs). In today's world, a lot of folks like to make a living out of hunting (duck, turkey, deer) or fishing (redfish, bass, etc) and do so with guiding, tournaments, endorsements. Part of doing that means they have to advertise themselves and frankly I am disgusted by a lot of it. Advertising a guide service is appropriate for getting clients, but some take it too far with pushing themselves as the greatest ever. Others push themselves just to stroke their own ego. I know duck hunters, quail hunters, tarpon fishermen, turkey hunters, deer hunters etc that all do that and I just no longer have time for them. Many of them like to stroke their own ego by putting down the methods or the results of others. Seems sad to me. But I also know I ain't gonna teach them nothing their momma or daddy did not teach them, so it is just easiest to laugh at their expense and let it go. When I get to the point where my self worth is tied to my success killing ducks or turkeys or catching redfish, I will stop doing all of it. It is for fun, period. It is my avocation, not my vocation. Don't get me wrong, just like when I coached youth football, I told the young'uns that we were playing for fun and it is more fun to win. But you better enjoy the work and the process or the winning is just an empty result. Winning with no effort is a hollow victory. Killing the turkey, on my own self guided terms, is the point. We would all be happier if we worried about what we can control (ourselves) and not what we can't (others). Just my thoughts on this and the other thread. Not that they are worth a hill of beans to anyone but me.
Quote from: Happy on April 27, 2016, 06:15:04 PMI don't believe that it's all about killing turkeys. For many yes, however there are also a large number of people putting all their confidence in gizmos and gadgets instead of their ability. They only way to gain confidence is to prove it to yourself and if you believe in your abilities and your ability to learn then you will gain confidence. I always tell my kids when they are struggling "if you don't believe in yourself then don't expect anyone else to". I try to always go out in the morning with a "killer" mindset. I am going out tomorrow fully believing that a bird is spending his last night on the roost. I hope he had a good day today. Because tomorrow ain't gonna be so good. That being said, if I don't kill a bird tomorrow is that a wasted hunt? Absolutely not! I was hunting and I love to play the game. I will go out the next hunt and the hunt after that with the same mindset. If you can't enjoy the game even if you loose then maybe you shouldn't play.
Quote from: Greg Massey on April 28, 2016, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2016, 11:06:51 PMQuote from: Greg Massey on April 28, 2016, 09:43:01 PMGuys let's not forget the people who are handicap or have health issues. As we face these issues we have to look at the way we have to hunt. I agree all of use were young at one point but lets not forget your getting older everyday you live another day..
Quote from: augasman on April 28, 2016, 11:39:06 PMOk here's my worthless opinion. I've been chasing birds for over twenty years now and I've killed more than my fair share. I'm one of the lucky ones that has a turkey master for a father and had a legend for a grandfather, so I was learning at an early age. I've also had the fortune of hunting the same family my entire life. I also I have a job that allows me to hunt every day of the season, so im out there everyday. For me it's less about some ultra confidence, and more about having conviction and a certain type of discipline when it comes to consistently having success. Am I 100 percent confident in my hunting skills? Absolutely. Do I think that I'm going to get every bird that gobbles at me? Not even close. I lose way more battles than I win, but if I'm gonna lose, I'm going down in flames. You have to treat every single encounter as if he's coming until you're absolutely sure that he's not. Just this morning I had one gobbling on the roost. I know where he normally likes to go but didn't think I could get there without getting busted. With very little confidence in my setup, I was still completely committed to the task. Of course he went exactly where I thought he would but I'll be waiting on him tomorrow. As far as discipline goes, I mean paying attention to the smallest details every time you're out there. To consistently have success you need to do everything the right way all of the time. Patience isn't my strong suit. I prefer a more run and gun style of hunting. With that said, I still try to stay disciplined (walk quietly, stay in shadows, don't call from where you can be seen, etc). I guess it's just always assuming that next hot gobbler is just up the road. I absolutely love killing turkeys. There's nowhere else that I find the same rush, but I also love the act of hunting turkeys. I'm not really talking about the sunrises and songbirds. Don't get me wrong, I like that stuff too. I'm really referring to the pursuit of the next one that wants to play the game, going over the proverbial next hill, trying that spot you haven't tried all year, that kind of stuff. Here's where it gets tricky. While I think having conviction and discipline is essential for success every spring, I think my favorite part of the sport is the maddening unpredictability. You can do everything right, with total confidence, and have it blow up in your face. You can do everything wrong, with zero confidence, and every turkey in the woods tries to run over you. It somehow seems to always happen right when you need it too. The difference between success and failure can be razor thin. Sorry for rambling.
Quote from: Greg Massey on April 28, 2016, 11:48:47 PMQuote from: augasman on April 28, 2016, 11:39:06 PMOk here's my worthless opinion. I've been chasing birds for over twenty years now and I've killed more than my fair share. I'm one of the lucky ones that has a turkey master for a father and had a legend for a grandfather, so I was learning at an early age. I've also had the fortune of hunting the same family my entire life. I also I have a job that allows me to hunt every day of the season, so im out there everyday. For me it's less about some ultra confidence, and more about having conviction and a certain type of discipline when it comes to consistently having success. Am I 100 percent confident in my hunting skills? Absolutely. Do I think that I'm going to get every bird that gobbles at me? Not even close. I lose way more battles than I win, but if I'm gonna lose, I'm going down in flames. You have to treat every single encounter as if he's coming until you're absolutely sure that he's not. Just this morning I had one gobbling on the roost. I know where he normally likes to go but didn't think I could get there without getting busted. With very little confidence in my setup, I was still completely committed to the task. Of course he went exactly where I thought he would but I'll be waiting on him tomorrow. As far as discipline goes, I mean paying attention to the smallest details every time you're out there. To consistently have success you need to do everything the right way all of the time. Patience isn't my strong suit. I prefer a more run and gun style of hunting. With that said, I still try to stay disciplined (walk quietly, stay in shadows, don't call from where you can be seen, etc). I guess it's just always assuming that next hot gobbler is just up the road. I absolutely love killing turkeys. There's nowhere else that I find the same rush, but I also love the act of hunting turkeys. I'm not really talking about the sunrises and songbirds. Don't get me wrong, I like that stuff too. I'm really referring to the pursuit of the next one that wants to play the game, going over the proverbial next hill, trying that spot you haven't tried all year, that kind of stuff. Here's where it gets tricky. While I think having conviction and discipline is essential for success every spring, I think my favorite part of the sport is the maddening unpredictability. You can do everything right, with total confidence, and have it blow up in your face. You can do everything wrong, with zero confidence, and every turkey in the woods tries to run over you. It somehow seems to always happen right when you need it too. The difference between success and failure can be razor thin. Sorry for rambling.Great post...if you don't mine me asking who is your father and grandfather is it someone we would all know ?