Connor decided to sleep in this morning so me and dad went and we doubled up this morning. The birds flew down on the other side of the cliff so we went through the gap and was able to slip right in on them. We could hear them drumming,so we slowly made our way up closer and all of a sudden they got in a fight and ended up coming within range of our 20ga. This was dads first bird with his new 20 ga 870 youth. Dads bird was 18 pounds 5 ounces Had a 9 3/4 in beard 1 In spur Mine weighed 18 pounds 15 ounces 10 in beard and 7/8 in spurs