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New weights for longbeards

Started by devin4484, January 16, 2015, 10:08:51 AM

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devin4484

Got on winchester and seen that the longbeards are gonna be offered in two different weights now.  Anyone got ahold of the 1 7/8 in 3 inch or the 2 1/8 in 3.5 inch.  Velocity is slower which would be expected clockin at 1050fps

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That's great!  The 3" 1-3/4 oz is 1200 fps and the 1-7/8 oz is 1050. Now let's keep an eye out for the 20 ga. load.
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That's gonna be VERY interesting!!!
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Quote from: Spring Creek Calls on January 16, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
That's great!  The 3" 1-3/4 oz is 1200 fps and the 1-7/8 oz is 1050. Now let's keep an eye out for the 20 ga. load.

I hope your right.


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decoykrvr

Significantly slowing down a lead load for a nominal increase in payload doesn't make much sense to me.  I chronographed the old Activ 3", 21/4 oz loads of 5's and 4's at @1025 -1050 fps and hunted with them until the advent of HTL shells.  The Activ shells contained approx. 60 more 5's and 50 more 4's  in a 21/4 oz load than the 17/8 oz LB, but the terminal velocity and KE of the Activ's dropped dramatically at @ 35-40 yards as measured by shooting into 1/4" marine grade plywood.

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Quote from: decoykrvr on January 16, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
Significantly slowing down a lead load for a nominal increase in payload doesn't make much sense to me.  I chronographed the old Activ 3", 21/4 oz loads of 5's and 4's at @1025 -1050 fps and hunted with them until the advent of HTL shells.  The Activ shells contained approx. 60 more 5's and 50 more 4's  in a 21/4 oz load than the 17/8 oz LB, but the terminal velocity and KE of the Activ's dropped dramatically at @ 35-40 yards as measured by shooting into 1/4" marine grade plywood.
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Gooserbat

I really have to ask why?  The Longbeard became the overnight standard by which lead is judged and it needed no improvement.  From a lot of guns the pattern on a #6 load would hold up farther than the shot it's self was capable of killing a bird.  They wasted a lot of resources when they should have developed a 20 ga #6 load. 
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Quote from: Gooserbat on January 16, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
I really have to ask why?  The Longbeard became the overnight standard by which lead is judged and it needed no improvement.  From a lot of guns the pattern on a #6 load would hold up farther than the shot it's self was capable of killing a bird.  They wasted a lot of resources when they should have developed a 20 ga #6 load.

I agree! I just want to see them in 20ga. Even though I will probably shoot fed. heavy weights anyway. I would like the option to shoot good patterns with lead out of a 20. There 12 ga loads did plenty good the way they were.


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devin4484

My guess is that they will probably discontinue the double x and high velocity series in the near future now with two speeds in the lb.

Tbrady835

Woul 1/8 oz more shot be worth the 150 fps in a lead load?

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Quote from: Gooserbat on January 16, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
I really have to ask why?  The Longbeard became the overnight standard by which lead is judged and it needed no improvement.  From a lot of guns the pattern on a #6 load would hold up farther than the shot it's self was capable of killing a bird.  They wasted a lot of resources when they should have developed a 20 ga #6 load. 
X2 my nova never threw a great pattren with anything under 1200 fps
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Im glad I got the old longbeards and e/r shells. My Winnie 1300 likes 6 shot out of her. :OGturkeyhead:
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devin4484

Quote from: Tbrady835 on January 16, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
Woul 1/8 oz more shot be worth the 150 fps in a lead load?

Some will want anything to help #'s in the 10" circle at 40 lol.

BowBendr

Quote from: Twowithone on January 16, 2015, 09:39:41 PMIm glad I got the old longbeards and e/r shells.


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Not laughing at you specifically twowithone.....old longbeards.........

I can see it now, 1 year on the market and Winchester is already messing with the loadings.
Folks will head out to see if they can find last years stock, clammering from wal-mart to wal-mart, shaking the bushes, posting on forums...referring to them as the "old shells"....

And people grumbled about envirometal...changing loads...changing components...messing with perfection.....why, the nonsense ?
Remember "old whites" ??

Next thing you know, people will be chasing specific lot numbers...oh the horrors....
Sorry, I couldn't help it...it's like de-ja-vu all over again....

owlhoot

Quote from: Gooserbat on January 16, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
I really have to ask why?  The Longbeard became the overnight standard by which lead is judged and it needed no improvement.  From a lot of guns the pattern on a #6 load would hold up farther than the shot it's self was capable of killing a bird.  They wasted a lot of resources when they should have developed a 20 ga #6 load.
Agreed , also wouldn't a slower load also reduce the effective killing range.
I guess you could go from 6 shot to 5 shot to balance it out.
I do like the faster loads and the denser shot :z-twocents: