Wad stripping question

[Gman]

I know some people believe that extended ported choke tubes can reduce recoil. I don't think that they do but I'm not here to debate that question. What I would like to know about is the strippage or "slowing down" of the wad.

If ported choke tubes DO slow down or strip the wad, then why is that better for the pattern?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the payload of shot be better at longer ranges, IF the shot stays in the wad for a longer time/distance?

Please enlighten me on this subject.

Thank You!

[Penguin907]

I noticed my patterns getting better when the wad was further behind the shot. Tried lots of different wad configurations. The ones where the wad hit the target or got close would throw a donut pattern. The ones that dropped close to me like 10 yards had a more even pattern with less flyers.

[Gman]

I noticed my patterns getting better when the wad was further behind the shot. Tried lots of different wad configurations. The ones where the wad hit the target or got close would throw a donut pattern. The ones that dropped close to me like 10 yards had a more even pattern with less flyers.

What I'm getting at is, if the shot (payload) stays in the pedals of the wad longer, wouldn't the pattern be tighter at the target?

[Penguin907]

I noticed my patterns getting better when the wad was further behind the shot. Tried lots of different wad configurations. The ones where the wad hit the target or got close would throw a donut pattern. The ones that dropped close to me like 10 yards had a more even pattern with less flyers.

What I'm getting at is, if the shot (payload) stays in the pedals of the wad longer, wouldn't the pattern be tighter at the target?

In my experience no it does not. The wad disrupts the pattern. The wads main purpose is to protect the payload down the barrel. A wad with shot in it outside the barrel destabilizes quick leading to inconsistent results. Get the wad away from the shot ASAP for better patterns.

[BandedSpur]

Not sure how much ported chokes help to strip wads, but wad strippers in the choke certainly seem to. Indian Creek and Sumtoy both have them, and those choke tubes seem to work very well. I agree that the longer the wad stays with the shot, the more likely the chance of it disrupting the pattern.

Federal's Flight Control Wad is designed to stay with the shot, and the majority opinion is that the concept does not work well, at least in tightly choked turkey guns. In side by side tests, Federal usually does not fair well against other brands of ammo.

[SumToy]

You need the wad to sperate from the shot.  You will get the donut as talked about above and if one pedal folds and the other ones dont then you cant get a tumble.  That will sling shot.

 

[Gman]

You need the wad to sperate from the shot.  You will get the donut as talked about above and if one pedal folds and the other ones dont then you cant get a tumble.  That will sling shot.

 

OK, so you want the wad and shot to separate as soon as possible to help the pattern stay consistent. Fair enough.

Now, do "ports" (in the extended tube) definitely slow or strip the wad?

[Penguin907]

You need the wad to sperate from the shot.  You will get the donut as talked about above and if one pedal folds and the other ones dont then you cant get a tumble.  That will sling shot.

 

OK, so you want the wad and shot to separate as soon as possible to help the pattern stay consistent. Fair enough.

Now, do "ports" (in the extended tube) definitely slow or strip the wad?

I don't know if all ports do, but on the Kicks GT it definitely does. Wads looks much more beat up than with non ported chokes. I suspect the sudden release of gas in all directions along with constriction slows it down rather aggressively.