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Winchester TSS Longbeards On Shelf

Started by agturkey, January 01, 2025, 01:49:15 AM

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Quote from: Number17 on January 03, 2025, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: fmf on January 03, 2025, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: Number17 on January 03, 2025, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Gooserbat on January 03, 2025, 09:58:07 AMThe payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

There's 508 tss 8s in 2oz
There's 176 pb 2s in 2oz

It has to be far far superior to #2 lead in pattern density. Closer to lead 6s honestly


I think you read that wrong

Which part? How do you read it?

That the load hes talking about has the energy of lead 2s, but also has pattern density. Not that the load has the pattern density of lead 2s.

Number17

Quote from: fmf on January 03, 2025, 11:13:19 PMThat the load hes talking about has the energy of lead 2s, but also has pattern density. Not that the load has the pattern density of lead 2s.

That would make a much better comparison, but still quite a stretch. 8 TSS is generally compared to #4 lead. A four size differential is mostly talked about, some say even 5 sizes, never heard a split of 6. Who knows, maybe?
I still don't know why the "payload is the problem"? Too much of a good thing?

I can't keep up with what's cool and what's not cool in the turkey world. LOL
I have friends who were all in on the 3.5" magnum loads who now shoot .410s

So there's the infamous Gooserbat shooting 2oz of 8s. Is he sad, pathetic, and mistaken......or does that just apply to other hunters who aren't in the club?
I bought a BACON call off him a few years ago. Man that call ran good.
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Dtrkyman

"With number 8s, I know I can get 220 in a 10" circle at 40 yds. Using the . 7 rule, that means I can get 100 in a 10" circle out to a little over 60 yds. And the 8s give 1.25" penetration out to 92 yds."

Copied from Hal Abbot, his reasoning for shooting 9s is they run out of pattern and penetration around the same distance, I believe 72 yards.

With that heavy of a load of 8s the pattern will hold up farther than 60!

 The 220 in the ten is with 1 5/8th oz. of 8s as well as the 72 yard efficacy of 9s.

So if one's pattern can hold up to 92yds the 8s would penetrate a turkey head and neck.

Crazy!!!


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Gooserbat

#18
The Infamous Gooserbat will Tommy-Swat turkeys at 70 with tss #8.  I have killed over my 50 bird's in the last several years with tss in 8, 8.5, and 9 shot.  I honestly can't tell a big difference in it except for #8.  It is like a sledge hammer at extended range.  If you're shooting a 12 ga as I do, imho it's going to be the ticket.  I also found that a 2 oz load patterns tighter than the heavier loads and puts just as many pellets on paper for less $$$
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Rogers Sporting goods has them listed for sale, if anyone is wanting some of them... Winchester XR ....


For myself, I'm not going to torture myself or my guns to that payload... LOL

Number17

$84 retail. $70 on sale. 1100fps and comes in #8 or #9 shot.

Wowsers!
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Number17

Quote from: Gooserbat on January 04, 2025, 09:41:08 AMThe Infamous Gooserbat will Tommy-Swat turkeys at 70 with tss #8.  I have killed over my 50 bird's in the last several years with tss in 8, 8.5, and 9 shot.  I honestly can't tell a big difference in it except for #8.  It is like a sledge hammer at extended range.  If you're shooting a 12 ga as I do, imho it's going to be the ticket.  I also found that a 2 oz load patterns tighter than the heavier loads and puts just as many pellets on paper for less $$$

Thanks for your real world experience and honesty. There is no denying the reality of what these loads are capable of.
I have boxes and boxes of 1 3/4oz #9s so I'm not in the market for 12g shells anytime soon, but those lighter 1 - 1.5oz 12g loads in 9 or 9.5 is probably what I'd try next.
My .410 knocks them down so nicely that the lighter payload has proven itself with me.
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zelmo1

I shoot 1.5 0z of #9 TSS out of my 28 gauge and its never failed me. I went sub gauge to lighten my load and reduce recoil. If I ever use my 12 again, it will be with Longbeard #5 lead. I probably won't even go to 3.5" loads as I think it is unnecessary. If you kill turkeys cleanly, stick to what works for you. I have a feeling that with some real world feedback on the new Winchester TSS, they will be a solid performer. But, it is tough to beat a hand worked load that you tailor to your setup. Good luck and God Bless. Z

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Dtrkyman

Some patterns on youtube, it looks devastating as one would assume with all that shot!

No thanks for me, I will keep rolling with hand loaded 20ga!

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Quote from: Spring Creek Calls on January 07, 2025, 09:12:22 AMFrom Rogers

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I bet that load kicks like a stubborn mule.

WV Flopper

 There's is a one shot, 12" circle? pattern on you tube. Blue collar outdoors.

Sorry, I know there's a lot of you tube haters here.