Winchester TSS Longbeards On Shelf

[agturkey]

Winchester TSS Longbeard On Shelf

[Yoder409]

Oddly..... I can't find anywhere on the Winchester Ammo website where they even list making it....

Details, please ??

[GobbleNut]

I see Winchester "Last Call" TSS waterfowl loads available in #9's.  I wonder if these shells would be adequate for turkeys?  If not, maybe one of our TSS experts could explain why or why not. They are about half the cost of turkey loads it appears. 

[paboxcall]

Oddly..... I can't find anywhere on the Winchester Ammo website where they even list making it....

Details, please ??

3" shell, with - get this nonsense - 2 3/8 oz. of straight 8s. LOL, no thanks.

Every other TSS option out there is better. But guys will buy it WRONGLY believing it will do magic, like 80 or more yards. Which is both sad and pathetic.

[Number17]

3" shell, with - get this nonsense - 2 3/8 oz. of straight 8s. LOL, no thanks.

Every other TSS option out there is better. But guys will buy it WRONGLY believing it will do magic, like 80 or more yards. Which is both sad and pathetic.

Other than overkill, what makes it such a bad load compared to other companies offerings?
Sounds amazing to me, but I'm sure the price per shell will be just as shocking.
Apex makes a 2 1/4 oz 3" load with 7.5, 8, or 9 shot. Why are the Winchesters inherently worse?

I wonder if there was such discontent going from the .30 winchester to the .30-06?

[Dtrkyman]

2 3/8th OZ of 8s sounds deadly, on both ends I might add!

No way I am taking that abuse with the effectiveness of much lighter shooting loads!

[joey46]

The Apex .410 Ninja load is 7/8oz of 9 1/2.  It works just fine.  Any new untried load first needs to be patterned and shot at reasonable ranges of course. 

[zelmo1]

1 3/8 oz of #9 TSS in my 28 kills them just as dead as 2 3/4 oz of whatever in a 12 gauge 3.5" magnum, lol. Give Winchester a chance to grow their product line. I am sure they will get a ton of feedback on it. I do wonder why so much goes into the 12 gauge TSS market. To me the whole idea is to get smaller and lighter with lethal killing loads. But some turkeys need to be "double dead" I guess. Z

[deerhunt1988]

The majority of folks still hunt with 12 gauges, that is why the market is still 12 gauge heavy. Social media would lead to you believe different, but there are still a whole lot of turkey hunters who haven't swapped to 20 gauges or even TSS. I've been handloading 3.5" 12 gauge loads since 2015 and still haven't swapped to a 20 gauge because I love my shotgun and see no need to "fix what ain't broken". I'm also shooting 2.5oz loads of #8s. I initially started with #8.5s, but was getting too many fliers that'd end up in a breast. Through extensive testing, it was easy to confirm dropping to #8s gave me a bit tighter core and less fliers. I doubt I ever change my loads again unless I swap guns. As many people that I talk to that complain about pellets in breast, I'm willing to bet more would drop from #9s to a larger shot if they'd experiment and not shoot what the internet tells them to shoot. Lot of folks are hung up on getting 300"+ in a 10" circle though.

My one concern with the TSS longbeard loads would be how dang tight it'd be at closer distances. I shot them some when the original longbeards first came out and there wasn't much wiggle room for error under 30 yards! Those TSS #8s are going to hold that super tight pattern even further I imagine.

[Number17]

I get far less #9s hung up in the breast meat compared to #5 lead. I believe 9s are the perfect size to balance energy and pattern density.
8s would most likely outpenetrate 9s, but I really don't need them to.

[Gooserbat]

The payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

[Number17]

The payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

There's 508 tss 8s in 2oz
There's 176 pb 2s in 2oz

It has to be far far superior to #2 lead in pattern density. Closer to lead 6s honestly

[fmf]

The payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

There's 508 tss 8s in 2oz
There's 176 pb 2s in 2oz

It has to be far far superior to #2 lead in pattern density. Closer to lead 6s honestly

I think you read that wrong

[Dtrkyman]

Biggest and baddest always sells!

Us turkey junkies forget there is a large amount of folks who want to shoot as far as possible to get whatever they're after!

Everyone one this forum should be shooting dove loads!

I have contemplated a season with dove loads but I'll probably stick to hand loaded TSS in 20ga!


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[Number17]

The payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

There's 508 tss 8s in 2oz
There's 176 pb 2s in 2oz

It has to be far far superior to #2 lead in pattern density. Closer to lead 6s honestly

I think you read that wrong

Which part? How do you read it?