Black hills draw

[silent tom]

A particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.

Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!

However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun!  More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.

Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread.

Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.

[tbowers]

2683 applicants so about 83% of applicants drew the tag.

[deerhunt1988]

Oh, the irony. At least now hunters have the excuse "didn't draw a tag"

[deathfoot]

A particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.

Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!

However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun!  More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.

Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread.

Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.

Exactly. Hell, my best friends don't even know the spots I hunt and they don't travel.

I recently commented on a Youtube video where a youtuber constantly named the national forest and was complaining about non residents hunting there. I told him to expect more since he was naming the location. He replied I needed to make that comment on THP and other more watched videos. But all it takes is a few watchers and some posts and your public land secret is no more. Makes no sense to me why you would even name the area of the state much less the place.

And don't get me started on other social media. People just openly giving exact locations in public forum. It may be time to start reverse psychology and just telling people it's no fun. Too hard. Too expensive. And deer hunting is the way to go (but I don't give two cents about a deer hunt, so that's just me).

[slave601]

Draw results came out today. Luckily me and my running partner were both drawn for the black hills!

[Gooserbat]

Looks like I'm going

[GobbleNut]

^^^ Ain't never see'd that before...      

[mnbirdbuster]

Dunno if I should even post this, but SD isn't a pure preference point draw state either. Rather they cube your points in what's known as a "Weighted Pref Point Draw". Very similar to a gun raffle in some regards. I apply for a deer and pronghorn hunt every year there and when you look at draw results the applicants with the most points don't always draw, yet those with less do many times??? So next year in this draw those who buy the preference point aren't guaranteed to draw over those with 0pts. It will happen next year I guarantee it. Oh and btw...I drew this year.

[silent tom]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

[ddturkeyhunter1]

^^^ Ain't never see'd that before...      

I know leave it to me to mess something up when it comes to phones or computers.
For you not seeing what Gobbenut  was talking about was. I started to write a post and got interrupted by my wife saying we needed to go. So I posted it and left the site, and some how it posted about fifty emojis emblems. I edited as soon as I seen Sorry guys.


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[GobbleNut]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew?   

[mnbirdbuster]

Yes you are charged via the card on file for your account asap

[GobbleNut]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew? 

Yes, you are charged via the card on file...

Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew.  Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that.     

[deerhunt1988]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew? 

Yes, you are charged via the card on file...

Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew.  Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that.   

There will be more and more folks get tags they never hunt as more areas and states become draw. Especially draws months in advance. Things happen, life gets in the way, etc. The tags are still cheap enough its not the end of the world if you miss the hunt. Its getting harder and harder to successfully plan spring turkey trips with all the new draws and non-resident restrictions. So the hardcore avid travelers apply and snatch up tags they may or may not hunt. Its better to have a tag in your pocket and not hunt it than need a tag and not have it.

As far as the comment about all the e-mails creating more applicants. It generates some FOMO = Fear of Missing Out. Look at what has happened with Nebraska non-resident tags. Sold out in like 30 hours this year. Took a few weeks the year before. Almost 2 months the first year. These tags are bought in January and some folks don't plan to go until May. Oh yeah, can't forget the extra revenue SD gets by getting more application fees and selling preference points.

Personally, I've already been buying and applying for tags that I may or may not make to hunt. When I saw the Nebraska rush, I panicked (FOMO) and bought one not knowing if I'm even going to make it or not. Because I don't know if i'm gonna draw Kansas! Perfect example of how it can play out. Kansas draw results could dictate whether I end up heading west or east this spring from my home state. Worst case, I spent a couple hundred bucks to save a gobbler.

Several in my turkey hunting circle also are snatching up tags already they may or may not even hunt. Its just the name of the game now. If you are serious about it, its what you gotta do in certain regions of the country.

[GobbleNut]

Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew.  Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that.   

There will be more and more folks get tags they never hunt as more areas and states become draw. Especially draws months in advance. Things happen, life gets in the way, etc. The tags are still cheap enough its not the end of the world if you miss the hunt. Its getting harder and harder to successfully plan spring turkey trips with all the new draws and non-resident restrictions. So the hardcore avid travelers apply and snatch up tags they may or may not hunt. Its better to have a tag in your pocket and not hunt it than need a tag and not have it.

As far as the comment about all the e-mails creating more applicants. It generates some FOMO = Fear of Missing Out. Look at what has happened with Nebraska non-resident tags. Sold out in like 30 hours this year. Took a few weeks the year before. Almost 2 months the first year. These tags are bought in January and some folks don't plan to go until May. Oh yeah, can't forget the extra revenue SD gets by getting more application fees and selling preference points.

Personally, I've already been buying and applying for tags that I may or may not make to hunt. When I saw the Nebraska rush, I panicked (FOMO) and bought one not knowing if I'm even going to make it or not. Because I don't know if i'm gonna draw Kansas! Perfect example of how it can play out. Kansas draw results could dictate whether I end up heading west or east this spring from my home state. Worst case, I spent a couple hundred bucks to save a gobbler.

Several in my turkey hunting circle also are snatching up tags already they may or may not even hunt. Its just the name of the game now. If you are serious about it, its what you gotta do in certain regions of the country.

It would be interesting to know just how many turkey hunters fit in the category of folks like yourself and your buddies that will spend a couple of hundred bucks on the off-chance they might go hunting somewhere....and possibly do that in a number of states. I just can't imagine there are significant numbers of folks that are in that category. Then again, maybe so...

For me personally, there are just too many places to go turkey hunting that have OTC tags to worry about the current states that are limiting nonresident permit numbers.  Granted, that is changing on a yearly basis, it seems, but I will probably be out of the turkey hunting business well before I can't make the choice to hunt as many OTC states as I want every year.  I guess I am just not all that choosey about where I go to do that.