Arkansas non resident license big change

[deerhunt1988]

How did you get a picture of that size to post? You must be special. Lol.

It seriously took me nearly 10 minutes of editing, and editing, and editing the size. Pretty annoying. I ended up just using the "snipping tool" in windows and snipped the actual picture and saved it so it'd reduce file size a ton.

[nativeks]

One thing to keep in mind, is that restricting non-resident hunting on federal land is not a new concept. It's been happening for decades out west for big game. And restrictions just keep getting tighter and tighter out west as demand rises. The EXACT same thing is happening with turkey hunting, just a decade or two later. And if the current turkey culture maintains status quo and doesn't make some changes, folks are going to be in for a rude awakening in another decade. Even higher prices for licenses, higher turkey lease prices, public land/NR restrictions galore. You can bet on it. Some of us have been shouting this for years on here and its all now coming to fruition.

Remember, non-migratory wildlife is managed by the state, not the feds. You can still go hike, birdwatch, bike ride on federal lands in other states as a non-resident. You just may be waiting 5 years to turkey hunt it in the future.

Kansas is looking at restricting duck hunters on all public land in the state to 3 days a week starting in 2024 (federal land included).

[3bailey3]

nice bird Nathan!

[3bailey3]

Go hogs......NOT!

[Swampmonkey]

South Carolina is already $400 if you hunt public as a nonresident. Georgia is $325. Alabama $380. Out of state permits have always been ridiculous down here. Granted most offer a little leeway if doing only a few days but not significantly. Only difference is now there's a new leader and the state of this country's economy will also keep driving prices up....and we will pay.

[zelmo1]

My local F&G commissioner is a big duck hunter and spends time in Arkansas. Last fall he brought up the " reciprocation concept" as to non resident hunting and fishing licenses. It met some resistance but is back again this year with more support. I wonder if this didnt cause the uptick in support. Some serious stuff is brewing. And yes, I am getting my Osceola as soon as possible. Anything that is in limited numbers always gets crazy to do. Z

[nativeks]

One thing to keep in mind, is that restricting non-resident hunting on federal land is not a new concept. It's been happening for decades out west for big game. And restrictions just keep getting tighter and tighter out west as demand rises. The EXACT same thing is happening with turkey hunting, just a decade or two later. And if the current turkey culture maintains status quo and doesn't make some changes, folks are going to be in for a rude awakening in another decade. Even higher prices for licenses, higher turkey lease prices, public land/NR restrictions galore. You can bet on it. Some of us have been shouting this for years on here and its all now coming to fruition.

Remember, non-migratory wildlife is managed by the state, not the feds. You can still go hike, birdwatch, bike ride on federal lands in other states as a non-resident. You just may be waiting 5 years to turkey hunt it in the future.

Kansas is looking at restricting duck hunters on all public land in the state to 3 days a week starting in 2024 (federal land included).

I thought I read that 3 day thing only applied to non-res?

That is correct. NR duck hunters can only hunt public lands in the state Sun-tues if passed. I apologize for my vague wording above

[silvestris]

Solent Green is PEOPLE.  I wonder if anyone wishes they hadn't introduced so many others to the great sport of turkey hunting.  This bell can't be unrung.

[Sir-diealot]

Arkansas changed its 2023/2024 fees big time. You can no longer buy the 1 day, 3 day, and 5 day for turkey. Non resident hunters must buy the license that is $410 plus a $100 turkey stamp fee. So $510 for a non resident to turkey hunt next year!

That is outrageous, every state should in turn charge Arkansas hunters the same fee.

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[Sir-diealot]

We will be Europe before too long, the poor folk will be priced out of hunting, even on "public" lands!

I have said that here more than once, it is like that with leasing now, only the nobles can get in certain areas, one of the major reasons people left other countries. History repeating itself. Also if they cared about the turkey they should lower it to one turkey per person, I see noone supporting the increase supporting that,  both residents and nonresidents should take one but it is a for me situation, not a for the turkey one as they like to claim.

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[Sir-diealot]

Just an IMO but if your state has a limit of more than two don't bother whining about decreasing turkey numbers.  You are the problem not the solution.

Agreed. People get mad when I suggest taking it down to one here until they recover some. (Currently 2 by the way in the Spring and I think 1 in the Fall but may be two)

[deerhunt1988]

BTW - still show a limit of 3 gobblers in MS.  Pretty much eliminates any talk about population decline concerns doesn't it?

Just an IMO but if your state has a limit of more than two don't bother whining about decreasing turkey numbers.  You are the problem not the solution.

Because most biologists know lowering the limit from 3 to 2 will not do a thing on the landscape level to increase turkey populations. And they recognize the importance of preserving opportunity.

Such a small percent of hunters actually take 3 (only about 10% of hunters who actually kill a turkey in MS, get their limit of 3), the change coming from going from 3 to 2 is insignificant. The gobbler "saved" also has to survive other hunters, or even the same hunter (who can take someone else), and then make it another year in nature to be "carried over". Multiple scientific models show the effect is insignificant as well.

Continuing to use MS for example:

10k reported birds harvested
~10% of those birds are someone's #3
~1,000 birds saved (Assumption, they could be killed by someone else) by reducing bag limit to 2
Spread those 1,000 birds across 82 counties
~12 gobblers "saved" per county in MS

The math will look very similar for other states.

[Paulmyr]

BTW - still show a limit of 3 gobblers in MS.  Pretty much eliminates any talk about population decline concerns doesn't it?

Just an IMO but if your state has a limit of more than two don't bother whining about decreasing turkey numbers.  You are the problem not the solution.

Because most biologists know lowering the limit from 3 to 2 will not do a thing on the landscape level to increase turkey populations. And they recognize the importance of preserving opportunity.

Such a small percent of hunters actually take 3 (only about 10% of hunters who actually kill a turkey in MS, get their limit of 3), the change coming from going from 3 to 2 is insignificant. The gobbler "saved" also has to survive other hunters, or even the same hunter (who can take someone else), and then make it another year in nature to be "carried over". Multiple scientific models show the effect is insignificant as well.

Continuing to use MS for example:

10k reported birds harvested
~10% of those birds are someone's #3
~1,000 birds saved (Assumption, they could be killed by someone else) by reducing bag limit to 2
Spread those 1,000 birds across 82 counties
~12 gobblers "saved" per county in MS

The math will look very similar for other states.

I've been hearing the same. Most biologist don't believe reducing limts would have a significant effect. From the numbers I been hearing I think your 10% might even be a little high.

[nativeks]

I can tell you the pressure that was relieved when we went from 2 to 1 was tremendous.

[Paulmyr]

I can tell you the pressure that was relieved when we went from 2 to 1 was tremendous.

I'm sure it was.  After reading multiple post for multiple months over this precieved turkey population crisis we still have some justifying three bird limits.  If two birds doesn't satisfy you take up golf.

So you'd rather have opportunity taken away by telling somebody they can't hunt anymore because they shot 2 birds instead of the 3 they have been allowed in the past even though the state biologist says it would have no effect on the overall population because the number people who fill all their tags is insignificant. I've heard biologists from 2 states that have a strong heritage of turkey hunting say just this. One state is starting to recover from historic lows and the other just had a record hatch 2 years ago. Biologists on opposite ends of the spectrum as far as the status of thier turkey populations go, agree taking away opportunity by feel good legislation is not the answer.