Arkansas non resident license big change

[Dtrkyman]

Definitely a cheap Elk tag these days, by the time I cash in my Wyoming points and buy a tag I will be over 2k most likely.  Oh well it's only money, what else are you going to do with it besides spend it?

[Greg Massey]

My suggestion from this old man, is you only live once, so enjoy and do what makes you happy.... If hunting other states or staying home ....  It's only money... Just look at what people pay for duck leases and hunting leases ....

[sasquatch1]

My suggestion from this old man, is you only live once, so enjoy and do what makes you happy.... If hunting other states or staying home ....  It's only money... Just look at what people pay for duck leases and hunting leases ....

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[PalmettoRon]

It doesn't affect me and from what I've been reading, Arkansas has been a poor state for turkey hunting for some time.

I would be interested in what the percentage of NR kills in Arkansas is compared to R hunters?

I don't see how this move is going to help the population of turkeys in Arkansas unless a significant percentage of the kill is from NR hunters.

There are a ton of states with Easterns with better populations and much less expensive NR licenses, so for sure it will make no sense to travel and pay $500 for a license.

[Paulmyr]

I'm guessing Arkansas's raise in license fee will mostly effect the people who need to check that state off in their quest for the slam. Don't see many hunters, other than slam seekers, putting Arkansas high on the priority list of turkey destinations. Slammers will pay the fee whether they like it or not.

[Spurs]

I'm guessing Arkansas's raise in license fee will mostly effect the people who need to check that state off in their quest for the slam. Don't see many hunters, other than slam seekers, putting Arkansas high on the priority list of turkey destinations. Slammers will pay the fee whether they like it or not.

The main reason for this change was for duck hunting.  The amount of grand standing behind this movement is astounding.

[Prospector]

As everyone knows, I dislike the crowding that has become Turkey hunting as it rises in popularity. However, I am not about reduction in individual opportunity. Keeping that short, I would rather see changes in HOW we hunt rather than when or where we hunt... As a Mississippi rez and of course only imagining Florida I can certainly understand the crowded conditions.
So, as food for thought, I'm asking this: What if instead of pricing us out of traveling to another state, we gave a certain amount of opening season to residents? For example, next season, MS spring season is 50+ days. I would propose that the first 20-25% of the season is MS resident only. So March 15 is Friday. Residents hunt that WE, all the next week, and the following WE. On Monday, March 25 it would open to the general public so to speak. If you are in the northern clime and your season is 3wks(21 days) then residents only the first 3-5days. In MS at least if we aren't changing our opening it gets us to other states openings. What do y'all think? It may never happen but is it a valid idea?

[GobbleNut]

As everyone knows, I dislike the crowding that has become Turkey hunting as it rises in popularity. However, I am not about reduction in individual opportunity. Keeping that short, I would rather see changes in HOW we hunt rather than when or where we hunt... As a Mississippi rez and of course only imagining Florida I can certainly understand the crowded conditions.
So, as food for thought, I'm asking this: What if instead of pricing us out of traveling to another state, we gave a certain amount of opening season to residents? For example, next season, MS spring season is 50+ days. I would propose that the first 20-25% of the season is MS resident only. So March 15 is Friday. Residents hunt that WE, all the next week, and the following WE. On Monday, March 25 it would open to the general public so to speak. If you are in the northern clime and your season is 3wks(21 days) then residents only the first 3-5days. In MS at least if we aren't changing our opening it gets us to other states openings. What do y'all think? It may never happen but is it a valid idea?

Personally, I have no issues with discussing, and possibly implementing, suggestions like this.  However, I think a lot of these beginning-of-the-season nonresident issues would be solved simply by states getting together and agreeing to start their seasons on the same dates.  That, in itself, would eliminate the issue of nonresidents jumping from state to state based on trying to hit the openers.  If regional states (at least) decided to do this, hunters would have to make a single choice as to where to start their seasons.  This, in itself, would go a long way in solving the perceived nonresident crowding problems being experienced on public lands in certain states.  A guy can't be in south Florida and Mississippi at the same time...   

[Dtrkyman]

Delaying the season would just create a problem at a different time of the season,  guess it would be fine by the locals, but guys would just flock there when they can.

A regional start date would be an interesting concept.

Personally I do not hunt states based on openers, I only hunt openers in 2 states that are convernient.  That being said both of those states were a potential chit show, really busy, however I was able to avoid pressure and take birds in each stae quickly. 

[Prospector]

I certainly can see both sides. My suggestion only stems from the fact that ALL Turkey hunters should be able to expierence spring esp on Public ground fairly and economically in any/all states. My argument is that I believe most if not all public is federal land ( realizing that the resource is state "owned"). My gist is I from MS have just as much right to NF in Arkansas as someone from there in MS. In fact, I think NR prices should be level across the states with federally backed public land ( realizing that's a stretch too). I feel that 99% of MS crowding is bc our opening is before surrounding states. Therefore, the nod to residents the first part of the season. Now the regional concept is interesting. The only problem with that I could foresee is you cannot lump MS and say TN together. Having hunted both, east central MS is in full swing b4 east TN even starts gaining traction. I'm sure the same phenomenon would occur between MS and Florida ( esp southern Florida). At that point, I think you would have to draw lines E to W through states. I too enjoy this kind of discourse, real people being real....

[deerhunt1988]

So, as food for thought, I'm asking this: What if instead of pricing us out of traveling to another state, we gave a certain amount of opening season to residents? For example, next season, MS spring season is 50+ days. I would propose that the first 20-25% of the season is MS resident only. So March 15 is Friday. Residents hunt that WE, all the next week, and the following WE. On Monday, March 25 it would open to the general public so to speak. If you are in the northern clime and your season is 3wks(21 days) then residents only the first 3-5days. In MS at least if we aren't changing our opening it gets us to other states openings. What do y'all think? It may never happen but is it a valid idea?

At one of this year's commission meetings, someone with political ties made public comment with this very idea. Personally, I'd hate to see it even though i'm a resident of MS. I'm sick of this path of opportunity reduction in turkey hunting. But I would not be surprised in the least if some states eventually go this route. And we hunters helped do it to ourselves by supporting those commercially exploiting our public resources.

[deerhunt1988]

One thing to keep in mind, is that restricting non-resident hunting on federal land is not a new concept. It's been happening for decades out west for big game. And restrictions just keep getting tighter and tighter out west as demand rises. The EXACT same thing is happening with turkey hunting, just a decade or two later. And if the current turkey culture maintains status quo and doesn't make some changes, folks are going to be in for a rude awakening in another decade. Even higher prices for licenses, higher turkey lease prices, public land/NR restrictions galore. You can bet on it. Some of us have been shouting this for years on here and its all now coming to fruition.

Remember, non-migratory wildlife is managed by the state, not the feds. You can still go hike, birdwatch, bike ride on federal lands in other states as a non-resident. You just may be waiting 5 years to turkey hunt it in the future.

[deerhunt1988]

I'm guessing Arkansas's raise in license fee will mostly effect the people who need to check that state off in their quest for the slam. Don't see many hunters, other than slam seekers, putting Arkansas high on the priority list of turkey destinations. Slammers will pay the fee whether they like it or not.

The main reason for this change was for duck hunting.  The amount of grand standing behind this movement is astounding.

Eh, but they specifically added $100/each turkey permits. That is definitely geared towards turkey hunters.

This is the first time i've saw it clearly defined that it is $100/turkey permit, initially i was under the assumption it was $100 for both.  So $200 more JUST for turkey hunters if they want to kill 2 birds! Truly $510 for ONE TURKEY, or $610 for two. Wow. I knew turkey was headed the western big game route but we gonna get to deer and elk license prices sooner than I thought!

Nonresident Turkey Permit (must accompany valid Nonresident Annual Hunting License) – $100 each, limit two permits per year

Here is the official link to Ark press release on the license hike:

https://www.agfc.com/en/news/2023/07/19/nonresident-hunters-should-check-twice-for-new-permits-when-renewing-licenses/

[deerhunt1988]

Yes I know that is routinely done out west but the restrictions on non-res on the federal lands has always griped me.  Charging more ok but totally shutting out hunters isn't.  Anyone know how far up in the courts this has been challenged?   Will just take one protected class and one federal judge to throw this into a free-for-all.  There is something going in WY now about corner crossing and BLM land but I don't know enough about it to explain.  Of course there is a YouTube about it.

If it could be challenged, I think it would have happened long before now just due to how ingrained it is in western states. There is SO much money involved at this point, probably upwards of $100 mill a year just from non-resident applications and point fees (where NR don't even get a tag to hunt!) Any significant changes would absolutely cripple western state game and fish budgets.

[deerhunt1988]

I picked the perfect time to hunt Ark this past spring. Best 2 year old crop in a while and saved a few hundred bucks on license fees! I was definitely considering heading back in the future, as I do some deer hunting there too. But they have officially priced me out.








And that bird has beard rot by the way. NOT a jake