Bird Numbers Down/ Decrees The Limit ?

[sasquatch1]

This thread makes it easy to decipher who enjoys traveling around and hunting and who hunts a handful of days locally.

Don't wish for loss of opportunity! You'll likely never get it back.

Everyone wants draw this, limit this, etc etc until they end up having to sit home dreaming about hunting vs going to hunt! It is at that point they realize they would be glad to just have the opportunity to go hunt.

There's problems that need addressing population wise etc etc, but there's got to be better ways then limiting opportunity. And remember everyone is only a resident in 1 state!!!

And until there is legit tags where the system can't be cheated, we won't ever know what the harvest really is. Start there


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[Mossyguy]

If you could put someone in charge that actually cares about turkeys and not money that would be a huge start.    I'm lucky enough not to have to hunt public land here in Mississippi but I feel for those that do. With money the driving force it's not going to change anytime soon.

[Marc]

Don't wish for loss of opportunity! You'll likely never get it back.

That is debateable. 

We would like to think that harvest limits are created solely based on science and conservation...  They are not.

Even in the most liberal state of the Union (i.e. California), deer tags, and duck seasons and limits are often kept at high levels due to $$$$.

If anti-hunting groups can generate more financial income than hunting can, hunting will be in deep doo-doo.

But if money is lost with decreased harvest limits and season lengths, as soon as numbers rebound, those harvest numbers and season lengths will reflect that.  License/tag sales, ammunition sales, hotels, food, etc...  Are all monies that the state wants.  More hunting tags sold means more money.

The good and bad of California, is that taxes and license sales from hunting go to the general state fund...  Not to the Fish & Wildlife, or back to conservation...

The good being, that the state is incentivised to keep hunting/fishing around by MONEY for non-conservation related funding...  The downside of course is that NONE of the money generated goes into improving the hunting/fishing/conservation of the state.

[silvestris]

"Soylent Green is PEOPLE".

[arkrem870]

More regs coming. More loss of opportunity on the horizon for the public land hunter. Remember this when you tune into your favorite "channel" for entertainment . Loose lips sink ships

[Greg Massey]

Loose lips started sinking the ship the Covid lock down year.... That was where most of the statistics of decreasing the season all started... People turkey hunting for the first time and telling our Local TWRA that they didn't hear or see any turkeys... Not every place holds turkeys... This forum with people voicing or sharing opinions has very little effect on changes or opportunity... If it did we would have a lot more of these officials on the forum...

[davisd9]

If you feel there should be a decrease in tags then you should personally adhere to the limit you think it should be in principle and not take advantage of what the actual limit is.

[Farmboy27]

What I'm seeing in a lot of these posts is the same old thing. I don't want other people shooting anything so I can have more to shoot!  No one here is volunteering to buy a tag and burn it so one less bird gets killed. No one is volunteering to hunt a few less days to lessen their possible impact on nesting hens.

[Greg Massey]

What they did here in Tennessee is move the season back to the 15 of April, it always opened the first of April. Now in them moving it back to the 15 of April, they added the 15 days back to the end of season, which puts hunters in the woods as hens are nesting and the disturbing of the new born poults. I do hope in the future they rethink what impact this could have also.... IMO

[Happy]

I propose a mandatory dance off at every gate winner takes all.

[Marc]

Loose lips started sinking the ship the Covid lock down year.... That was where most of the statistics of decreasing the season all started... People turkey hunting for the first time and telling our Local TWRA that they didn't hear or see any turkeys... Not every place holds turkeys... This forum or people voicing or sharing opinions has very little effect on changes or opportunity... If it did we would have a lot more of these officials on the forum...

I agree...  What happened during COVID was a perfect strom of events.

*Technology available that allows users to know every piece of legal hunting areas with the topography, access roads, etc.  (i.e. OnX or Gaia)
*Social media popularizing turkey hunting (and spot burning)
*COVID allowing people time and incentive to get out of the house and go hunting.

[sasquatch1]

I see hardly anyone wanting to fund more, which is what really should happen!!

To buy more lands, manage lands better etc etc

I think hunting licenses and wma permits are far too cheap some places

Example here in south LA, there's several thousand acres of marsh lands that the local govt owns. It was always open to hunting (ducks)

Then they decided to sell permits to hunt it (like $50 per year)

Everyone complained like crazy!!! The same idiot that would totally lose the opportunity to even hunt the place if the state decided to lease it out!!! Then they'd WISH they could just pay $50 as then they'd be sitting home without a place to hunt!!


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[mountainhunter1]

If you feel there should be a decrease in tags then you should personally adhere to the limit you think it should be in principle and not take advantage of what the actual limit is.

Some are already doing just that. I for the past three years have on purpose not filled my last tag in my state and have not traveled - again on purpose.

[Paulmyr]

I feel if they decrease the bag limits to the residence people of that state to save turkey population, then i feel they should do away with OOS people traveling to that state for couple of years or have a limited number of tags, as everyone has said we have more and more people turkey hunting NOW...  It's all about the future of saving the turkeys RIGHT?   SOMETIMES man can be the predator or worst enemy to the future of the turkeys... IMO.... lots of good posts... Let's take Public land as a resident tax payer WHY should i have to pull up to a public piece of land and see 5 out of state vehicles and not one local vehicle. I mean we have it posted on the forum all the time about the numbers of out of state people camping out at gates and the number of OOS people.  Again if you decrease the turkey limit you should decrease the overall number of OOS travels... IMO....

I would tend agree with you Greg if the land in question belonged to the state. If we're talking Federal land/ national forest than  that land belongs to 333 million people who's tax money manages those lands and every one of them has the right to be there whether the residents like it or not.

[Wigsplitter]

I would tend agree with you Greg if the land in question belonged to the state. If we're talking Federal land/ national forest than  that land belongs to 333 million people who's tax money manages those lands and every one of them has the right to be there whether the residents like it or not.




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