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Bird Numbers Down/ Decrees The Limit ?

Started by Greg Massey, April 25, 2023, 10:25:38 AM

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Greg Massey

With some states this year decreasing the bag limit, like for instance Tennessee from a 3 limit last year to 2 limit this year. In a way this is holding back the residence people who hunt and live in Tennessee. BUT they didn't do anything to limit the out of state people who travel to different states in killing gobblers. I've seen more people and videos of people traveling from state to state in the quest to kill more gobblers to fill a void because of states decreasing bag limits. SO my question is if a state / Tennessee decreases bag limits in support of saving more gobblers shouldn't it decrease the SALE Of OUT STATES LICENSE or completely do away with out of states sale for couple of YEARS? I'm not against people who travel, but decreasing the limit is all about saving and improving the overall number of gobblers for the future right...??  WHAT"S your opinion including what your state is doing in limiting sales of licenses or bag limits... IS IT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY OR REVENUE AND NOT REALLY ABOUT THE TURKEYS ALL TOGETHER .... I do know regardless of the sales of licenses you still have to be successful ... IMO ...

Tail Feathers

Revenue from OOS'ers is important to the states who receive much of it.  State wildlife depts realize this.  It's a factor in that decision making process.  Like it or not.
Love to hunt the King of Spring!

AndyN

I agree that if changes are made it should hit the NRs first. I don't think we're too far off from the majority of states going to a NR draw/quota for turkeys. As more states change people just shift where they're going. When KS went to one bird in all but two units the quality of hunting tanked in those two bird units. Why? Because every single person coming to KS wants the opportunity to shoot two. Now next year it will likely be one bird statewide with a NR draw by unit. I've seen some decent pockets of jakes but most won't make it. They'll end up in some guys freezer down south so he can tell his buddies he got his public land Rio. The most enjoyable hunts I have are in one bird or limited quota areas. They manage for a level of success based off of harvest results from the prior year as well as flock counts. The come one come all level of turkey management isn't working anymore.

Greg Massey

TFT.... This is something you need to get involved with and some answers... IMO

arkrem870

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Tom007

Quote from: AndyN on April 25, 2023, 10:55:12 AM
I agree that if changes are made it should hit the NRs first. I don't think we're too far off from the majority of states going to a NR draw/quota for turkeys. As more states change people just shift where they're going. When KS went to one bird in all but two units the quality of hunting tanked in those two bird units. Why? Because every single person coming to KS wants the opportunity to shoot two. Now next year it will likely be one bird statewide with a NR draw by unit. I've seen some decent pockets of jakes but most won't make it. They'll end up in some guys freezer down south so he can tell his buddies he got his public land Rio. The most enjoyable hunts I have are in one bird or limited quota areas. They manage for a level of success based off of harvest results from the prior year as well as flock counts. The come one come all level of turkey management isn't working anymore.

The only gripe I have about NR quotas is that some people like myself belong to hunting clubs is 2 states. Quotas here would possibly limit a non resident that pays to hunt land in that state. Quotas on public land I can see, but private would be tough. Just my thoughts....

Happy

I would rather see a tightening of the regs regarding legal means of harvest than a decrease in bag limit. Make it harder to kill them = more turkeys.

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Gooserbat

#7
I travel a lot and I mostly just shoot one per state...except Missouri which is less than 20 miles from my house.

Now the other question is for instance said state has only 4% public land like Oklahoma.  The wildlife department reduces limits and they effectively affect the nonresident hunting on 4% of the state.  Private land hunting remains near the same. 
Nothing like seeing a kids eyes light up upon hearing that first gobble.

g8rvet

Couple of thoughts.

The FL/GA battle over hunting and fishing is well known by Northern and Central Floridians.  GA is better at charging for their resources and FL should do the same.  Don't be more restrictive, be more expensive.  We are one of the few states that does not charge for the privilege of OOS hunters to come here and kill an Osceola.  I would even like to see a special OOS Osceola tag that is priced accordingly.  And then the money used for habitat. 

GA hunters pay about 200 to hunt FL for turkey (for 10 days public land), FL hunters pay 325 to hunt GA for turkey.  I agree with GA, not Florida.  No where else you can kill an Osceola and we should charge for it. 

I go to my local ramp (salt) and there will be 50% plus GA residents.  I don't mind them being here, but they should pay more than residents, by a lot.  Not as a penalty, but as a way to pay for the privilege to fish here. 
Psalms 118v24: This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

saverx

In a few more years, I don't think it will matter. Turkeys are going the way of the quail soon. Mostly there already where I hunt.

Paulmyr

#10
Quote from: g8rvet on April 25, 2023, 12:36:33 PM
Couple of thoughts.

The FL/GA battle over hunting and fishing is well known by Northern and Central Floridians.  GA is better at charging for their resources and FL should do the same.  Don't be more restrictive, be more expensive.  We are one of the few states that does not charge for the privilege of OOS hunters to come here and kill an Osceola.  I would even like to see a special OOS Osceola tag that is priced accordingly.  And then the money used for habitat. 

GA hunters pay about 200 to hunt FL for turkey (for 10 days public land), FL hunters pay 325 to hunt GA for turkey.  I agree with GA, not Florida.  No where else you can kill an Osceola and we should charge for it. 

I go to my local ramp (salt) and there will be 50% plus GA residents.  I don't mind them being here, but they should pay more than residents, by a lot.  Not as a penalty, but as a way to pay for the privilege to fish here.

Ga offer a limited license for non residents where they can buy one day and add additional days there after. Not sure what the cost is. The regs are confusing.
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g8rvet

Quote from: Paulmyr on April 25, 2023, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: g8rvet on April 25, 2023, 12:36:33 PM
Couple of thoughts.

The FL/GA battle over hunting and fishing is well known by Northern and Central Floridians.  GA is better at charging for their resources and FL should do the same.  Don't be more restrictive, be more expensive.  We are one of the few states that does not charge for the privilege of OOS hunters to come here and kill an Osceola.  I would even like to see a special OOS Osceola tag that is priced accordingly.  And then the money used for habitat. 

GA hunters pay about 200 to hunt FL for turkey (for 10 days public land), FL hunters pay 325 to hunt GA for turkey.  I agree with GA, not Florida.  No where else you can kill an Osceola and we should charge for it. 

I go to my local ramp (salt) and there will be 50% plus GA residents.  I don't mind them being here, but they should pay more than residents, by a lot.  Not as a penalty, but as a way to pay for the privilege to fish here.

Ga offer a limited license for non residents where they can buy one day and add additional days there after. Not sure what the cost is. The regs are confusing.

Right, someone misquoted me the cost (like you needed license and big game - i think big game used to be an add on and now is a separate license).  It still stands they are more expensive for a bird that can be killed in North Florida (eastern).  My point about out west hunting where you need to go for a pronghorn and such, many of the states charge accordingly.  So should Florida.  Not crazy, but enough to put money in the state.

EDIT:  I just looked too and it looks like you need Hunting and Big Game, but I think that is no longer the case. 
Psalms 118v24: This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Tail Feathers

Nebraska limits out of state tags to 10K.  That's tags, not hunters.  You can buy two.  Pretty smart system to limit the hordes seems to me.  At least until PETA starts buying all those tags like the put in for the draw hunts in FL.
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g8rvet

Bothers me too Joey that I have been a lifelong Florida hunter and once I turn 65 I get the same free license as someone that just moved here.  Just does not seem right, but it is what it is.  Florida has never been wise.  Very happy with the Harvest Report starting and maybe they can learn the number of OOS harvests of Osceola and start charging.  I have no problem with a tag system.  Did it for years with doe permits, not a big deal. 

I like the limit idea.  Draws are already tough for Spring Quota with most of ours in the North going to South hunters that put us down as a lower option.  We all part of the same state, so I don't see that changing.
Psalms 118v24: This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Dtrkyman

I was traveling and killing turkeys long before limits were decreased!

Things will get worse in some places before they get better!

The influx of travelers is a small issue in the grand scheme of Turkey available to hunt!


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