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Started by joey46, April 23, 2023, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 02:13:14 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PMQuote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. I'd never mess with someone's truck or set up but I've heard of more oos guys trucks etc... getting messed with on public land this year than in recent memory. Given what the commercial leasing companies have done to private access in this state and with more people than ever either choosing to hunt public land [because of shows like hunting public] or being pushed onto already crowded public land out of necessity I'm not surprised the frustration is boiling over with some folks. There was a time when even I'd point the odd oos guy in the right direction but if I hunt public land now that's never going to happenI guided my dad on his neighbor's 30 acres opening day until about 12:30 and then went off to hunt the public that I favor. I drove 400 miles round trip, and covered 5 counties. Between WMA tracts and National forest I found 1 pull off that didn't have a vehicle in it and hunted it, was working a bird, he was within 100 yards strutting and all of a sudden he perked up and walked off. A couple minutes later here came two guys walking past me at 50 yards without a clue that I or the turkey were in the world. I backed out and left. I've hunted most of this land for 13 or so years and have never seen more out of state guys as I have this season. Typically we get a couple, as in less than 5 at these places. This year there were 25 out of state trucks at 3 pull offs on 3 tracts of the same WMA during that opening day drive. And the tracts combined total less than 700 acres. Not considering the 4 on another 120 acres. Or the ones on National forest. I figured it would have fizzled out after opening weekend but 9 days in to season were still seeing a steady number. Mostly from Ohio, Michigan, and New York. But I have seen a couple odd balls, 1 from New Mexico, One from Oregon, and a truck full from Louisiana. In 6 days of our season more birds were taken off that particular WMA than the season average was from 2018 through 2021. The 2022 season is when we had a heavy rise in the OOS guys and there were nearly double the birds taken for the season off that WMA than in previous years. Other hunters I know in other counties are seeing the same on their home public pieces. There were two shot opening week that I know of. It's getting to the point now where if you're not at the gate the night before you won't hunt at all unless you jump in behind them. I'm thinking about just switching over to fall hunting exclusively the way it's been this spring. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't blame you. I killed on private land opening morning and went to a small piece of public the next morning for a quick hunt. I'm an early bird and was at the pull in over 2 hours before sun up. It was already full and there was a group from Illinois camped out with one guy sleeping on the hood of the car. This is not a huge piece of land and there already been something like 13 gobblers killed on it. Kill ratio to acreage that's a whole lot of birds. I thought Kentucky dropping to one bird per wma would knock down some of the pressure but it hasn't. The only piece of public I'll even consider hunting again this season is a piece of forest where I doubt any oos guys would venture. You've pretty well got to be tribe to get in and out in one piece of ya know what I mean. If turkey hunting is such a big deal in this state I'd like to see us go to a draw system with application fee. The department is missing out on a lot of potential revenue they sorely need.
Quote from: ScottTaulbee on April 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PMQuote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. I'd never mess with someone's truck or set up but I've heard of more oos guys trucks etc... getting messed with on public land this year than in recent memory. Given what the commercial leasing companies have done to private access in this state and with more people than ever either choosing to hunt public land [because of shows like hunting public] or being pushed onto already crowded public land out of necessity I'm not surprised the frustration is boiling over with some folks. There was a time when even I'd point the odd oos guy in the right direction but if I hunt public land now that's never going to happenI guided my dad on his neighbor's 30 acres opening day until about 12:30 and then went off to hunt the public that I favor. I drove 400 miles round trip, and covered 5 counties. Between WMA tracts and National forest I found 1 pull off that didn't have a vehicle in it and hunted it, was working a bird, he was within 100 yards strutting and all of a sudden he perked up and walked off. A couple minutes later here came two guys walking past me at 50 yards without a clue that I or the turkey were in the world. I backed out and left. I've hunted most of this land for 13 or so years and have never seen more out of state guys as I have this season. Typically we get a couple, as in less than 5 at these places. This year there were 25 out of state trucks at 3 pull offs on 3 tracts of the same WMA during that opening day drive. And the tracts combined total less than 700 acres. Not considering the 4 on another 120 acres. Or the ones on National forest. I figured it would have fizzled out after opening weekend but 9 days in to season were still seeing a steady number. Mostly from Ohio, Michigan, and New York. But I have seen a couple odd balls, 1 from New Mexico, One from Oregon, and a truck full from Louisiana. In 6 days of our season more birds were taken off that particular WMA than the season average was from 2018 through 2021. The 2022 season is when we had a heavy rise in the OOS guys and there were nearly double the birds taken for the season off that WMA than in previous years. Other hunters I know in other counties are seeing the same on their home public pieces. There were two shot opening week that I know of. It's getting to the point now where if you're not at the gate the night before you won't hunt at all unless you jump in behind them. I'm thinking about just switching over to fall hunting exclusively the way it's been this spring. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. I'd never mess with someone's truck or set up but I've heard of more oos guys trucks etc... getting messed with on public land this year than in recent memory. Given what the commercial leasing companies have done to private access in this state and with more people than ever either choosing to hunt public land [because of shows like hunting public] or being pushed onto already crowded public land out of necessity I'm not surprised the frustration is boiling over with some folks. There was a time when even I'd point the odd oos guy in the right direction but if I hunt public land now that's never going to happen
Quote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: ScottTaulbee on April 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PMQuote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. This. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. Between WMA tracts and National forest I found 1 pull off that didn't have a vehicle in it and hunted it. Typically we get a couple, as in less than 5 at these places. This year there were 25 out of state trucks at 3 pull offs on 3 tracts of the same WMA during that opening day drive. And the tracts combined total less than 700 acres. Not considering the 4 on another 120 acres. Or the ones on National forest.
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. This. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled.
Quote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow.
Quote from: Marc on April 26, 2023, 02:40:51 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PMQuote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. This. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. Between WMA tracts and National forest I found 1 pull off that didn't have a vehicle in it and hunted it. Typically we get a couple, as in less than 5 at these places. This year there were 25 out of state trucks at 3 pull offs on 3 tracts of the same WMA during that opening day drive. And the tracts combined total less than 700 acres. Not considering the 4 on another 120 acres. Or the ones on National forest. Because turkeys do not migrate... Most turkey hunters are in our own little bubble. When we have good local hunting, and read about the decline of turkeys in neighboring states we think "those poor saps," and go on about our business of hunting.Turns out that many turkey hunters are pretty passionate about turkey hunting, and a lot of them will travel to hunt if hunting locally is no longer a viable option.Conservation issues and hunting access issues of one state will quickly trickle down to other states. For those of you with good local turkey hunting currently, would you give up on the sport if that local hunting was no longer viable, or would you travel to hunt?While I do believe that locals should have priority... At some point the state will look for where the largest revenue streams are coming from... Higher license fees, hotels, food, etc... Are the locals putting in more financially than OOS hunters? If not, where is the incentive for the state to reduce OOS hunting license sales?Hunting waterfowl is my primary passion, I am used to contributing to non-local conservation (as waterfowl are migratory).But as it turns out, I think it would benefit turkey hunters to look at conservation funding a bit less centrally, and start thinking a bit more globally as well.
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 03:12:38 PMQuote from: Marc on April 26, 2023, 02:40:51 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PMQuote from: Kylongspur88 on April 26, 2023, 01:15:34 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on April 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AMI'm almost certain it has to be KY. I'm not sure where these guys got their info but every piece of public land within 150 miles of where I'm at has looked like a circus daily and the plates have been more colors than the rainbow. This. It's been unbelievable this year. The locals aren't thrilled. Between WMA tracts and National forest I found 1 pull off that didn't have a vehicle in it and hunted it. Typically we get a couple, as in less than 5 at these places. This year there were 25 out of state trucks at 3 pull offs on 3 tracts of the same WMA during that opening day drive. And the tracts combined total less than 700 acres. Not considering the 4 on another 120 acres. Or the ones on National forest. Because turkeys do not migrate... Most turkey hunters are in our own little bubble. When we have good local hunting, and read about the decline of turkeys in neighboring states we think "those poor saps," and go on about our business of hunting.Turns out that many turkey hunters are pretty passionate about turkey hunting, and a lot of them will travel to hunt if hunting locally is no longer a viable option.Conservation issues and hunting access issues of one state will quickly trickle down to other states. For those of you with good local turkey hunting currently, would you give up on the sport if that local hunting was no longer viable, or would you travel to hunt?While I do believe that locals should have priority... At some point the state will look for where the largest revenue streams are coming from... Higher license fees, hotels, food, etc... Are the locals putting in more financially than OOS hunters? If not, where is the incentive for the state to reduce OOS hunting license sales?Hunting waterfowl is my primary passion, I am used to contributing to non-local conservation (as waterfowl are migratory).But as it turns out, I think it would benefit turkey hunters to look at conservation funding a bit less centrally, and start thinking a bit more globally as well.I've got no issues with people traveling to hunt but when hordes of people rush into a particular area with decent numbers and kill high volumes of birds in that particular area pretty soon those areas will also hold poor numbers just like the areas where people may be traveling from. The absolute number one predator of mature toms are hunters. I'm not willing to give up hunting but I'm more than willing to pay for draws and quotas where states are attempting to control pressure [Nebraska] or even limit bag limits [Ohio] to ensure I can continue to hunt. With respect to oos license sales, I can tell you turkeys aren't our money maker. Deer are. But at what point does the department look at it's current model and say is this sustainable? Are we attempting to generate some revenue even if detrimental to wildlife populations? and/or alienating their own residents? Like stated above I'm also going to get in my local commissioners ear and offer some suggestions. If he doesn't want to hear I'll keep going up the ladder until I get to someone who does
Quote from: deadbuck on May 01, 2023, 11:39:27 AMTo answer the poster above me who asked if turkey hunting gets crappy in my local area will I travel out of state or quit hunting. I will just quit turkey hunting.