flying with my shotgun and ammo

[hipp2412]

I will be flying with a firearm for the first time. I understand needing the hard case and locks for every lock hole but I'm still not sure about the ammo. Can I keep a box of turkey loads in the same case as the shotgun, And in the original box ? or Do I need to keep the ammo separate from the gun in another locked box?
Thanks
Hipp

[Sir-diealot]

Bud your smartest move would be to call the airline you are flying with, every airline is different and may have different rules.

[Notsoyoungturk]

I have flow with a gun but no ammo.  I don't think you have to have a lock in every hole.  I flew with 2 locks and 4 holes.  Here is what the TSA website says:

Firearms
   
When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
   
If you are traveling internationally with a firearm in checked baggage, please check the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website for information and requirements prior to travel.
   
Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
   
Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. For civil enforcement purposes, TSA also considers a firearm to be loaded when both the firearm and ammunition are accessible to the passenger. For example, if an individual has a firearm in accessible baggage and ammunition in his/her pocket, or any combination where the individual has access to both, the firearm is considered "loaded" for purposes of assessing a civil penalty. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.
   
Bringing  an unloaded firearm with accessible ammunition to the security checkpoint carries the same civil penalty/fine as bringing a loaded firearm to the checkpoint. You may find information on civil penalties at the Civil Enforcement page.
   
Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
   
Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
   
Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

Ammunition

Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
   
Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(.
   
Small arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge) must be packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, plastic, or metal box specifically designed to carry ammunition and declared to your airline.
   
Ammunition may be transported in the same hard-sided, locked case as a firearm if it has been packed as described above. You cannot use firearm magazines or clips for packing ammunition unless they completely enclose the ammunition. Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be boxed or included within a hard-sided, locked case.
   
Please check with your airline for quantity limits for ammunition.

[hipp2412]

Well there's what I was looking for. Thank you Notsoyoungturk

[Magdump]

I fly with firearms all the time and these days, to be safe (to help eliminate the chance, whatever airline helper and TSA person you get, that they require you to leave your ammo behind), it is a very good idea to bring your ammo packed in a factory box.  The ammo does not need to match the box.

Good luck !

[TurkeyReaper69]

You can have ammo in same case as gun. Have ammo in original box

[silent tom]

A lock for every hole just to be safe.
Ammo in some sort of secure box whether that's a factory box or one of the plastic boxes handloaders use. 

[PalmettoRon]

TSA does NOT perform their routine in a standard fashion from airport to airport. The airlines do NOT have the same standards and the individuals working at check in for the same airline and even at the same airport do NOT perform their task in a standard fashion.

I've flown with firearms and ammunition dozens and dozens of times.

The safest bet is indeed to attach a lock to every place on your hard case that has a hole to lock. I had a buddy that almost missed his flight as he had to go to the gift shop and buy some cheap locks to lock his 4 hole Pelican case.

I've brought my Pelican locked sometimes with two locks and then was told I needed 4 locks. I had 2 inside the case and placed them on the case smiling at the airline worker who thought they had me in a bind.

I personally put my ammo in the original box in my other check in bag although it should not matter. It's legit to place the ammo in it's original box inside the locked gun case, but again I've seen individual airline workers create a ruckus over this. You definitely have to check it and not bring it on board.

It's even kosher to place the ammo in a hard ammo case instead of the flimsy paper original box, but I have had push back on this too from some airline workers.

Since unfortunately TSA does their thing differently at almost every airport I've been to and the airline employees as a whole often don't know their own airline rules and occasionally there are anti gun and/or antihunter airline workers just looking to make your day difficult, the best course of action is to have a lock for every hole and pack your ammo in another bag in it's original packaging.

Now, doing all that will not prevent someone from insisting that you break open the breech on your muzzleloader at check in. That one took a laughing airport police fellow hunter to resolve.

[Ranger]

Enough locks for any and all holes that are made for locks, ammo goes in same case as gun, and can only be in a manufacturer's original box.  So if you have TSS that's handloaded, get a brand name box and put them in.  Simple as that and that's all there is per TSA which is over all airlines' policy concerning firearms.

[g8rvet]

I have flown both nationally and internationally. 

Lock in every hole.  The point of emphasis that TSA was told to make is that you should not even be able to get a finger inside the case and locking every lock ensures that.  You will not see this published anywhere, but locking 2 or locking 4 only takes a few extra seconds.  I was not stopped from flying but told by the agent (about 5-6 years ago) that I would be in the future. 

Keep published rules in your carry on.

STRONGLY suggest painting your cell phone number on the outside of the case.  It only takes a minute and TSA can then call you if there is a problem.  Has helped me make my flight twice.

Check with airline and state you are flying to.  I have never had more than a mild annoyance and it was in Toronto.  Avoid that airport if you can.

[WV Flopper]

 I will put it like this.

I value my guns, I have a nice, sturdy case to carry mine in. Buy one! Not some junk 39$ Plano case, spend a few bills a get a quality case. Mine comes back bent in new places every time it flies. Bent, not cracked, not broken, bent.

Read the AIRLINES requirements, read the TSA requirements, they most likely will differ slightly. Pay attention to that and go beyond!

I fly with my ammo in a hard plastic pistol case locked, in side of my metal gun case, locked. I have been nothing but complemented on my packing.

Joey is right, it's not that hard. Just read the airline and TSA regs.

[wareagle22]

I fly somewhere hunting every year and can tell you that every airline is different.   It doesn't matter what the TSA guidelines are, it's dependent on the person checking you in.   With American and Southwest, you can have your ammo in your gun case as long as it's in a box and not loose.  I always have a lock in every spot available on my case.   This year, I'm flying on Delta so I called to check their regulations.    You CANNOT have your gun and ammo in the same case.   Must be separate and both locked.   They consider it one checked bag so you don't have to pay extra for it.   I would advise calling the airline you are flying and ask them their policy.   In all the years I've travel hunted, I have never had an issue after calling the airline.   I have had cases beat to death during transit and I would also advise not using a cheap case as they do not handle them with care.   I saw sn aluminum gun case at the airport in Denver one year that looked like it fell off the cart and got run over.   It was completely destroyed.   

[ddturkeyhunter]

I fly somewhere hunting every year and can tell you that every airline is different.   It doesn't matter what the TSA guidelines are, it's dependent on the person checking you in.   With American and Southwest, you can have your ammo in your gun case as long as it's in a box and not loose.  I always have a lock in every spot available on my case.   This year, I'm flying on Delta so I called to check their regulations.    You CANNOT have your gun and ammo in the same case.   Must be separate and both locked.   They consider it one checked bag so you don't have to pay extra for it.   I would advise calling the airline you are flying and ask them their policy.   In all the years I've travel hunted, I have never had an issue after calling the airline.   I have had cases beat to death during transit and I would also advise not using a cheap case as they do not handle them with care.   I saw sn aluminum gun case at the airport in Denver one year that looked like it fell off the cart and got run over.   It was completely destroyed.

Like said every airline and ticket agent dose some things different just have extra time and wont have any problems. I just got back two days ago from florida to Mn flying Delta return trip. past post was told not to have ammo in case. Well I had my ammo in factory box in gun case with gun going there and coming back no problems. That is the way i have been doing it since 2009, sometime they open and other times not. On return trip I figured i would have to open case this time because I also added the two tail fans and feet in a tightly wrappped bag. The only other thing I do but not necessary, but got coments that they liked was i put one of the cable chamber locks on my gun in the case. The minute you open the case they can see the lock and it make them at ease that the gun is not loaded. On delta when i got to Orlando my gun case had two very heavy duty plastic zip ties all around the case, need a good knife to cut. When I flew back from orlando to Minneapolis my gun case had one little tiny plastic zip tie in one lock hole on the end of case. It was doing absolutely no good a preventing someone from opening that case in a hurry.
So like said there all different, good luck most times its a breeze.

[g8rvet]

I have not seen the ammo case exemption (which was most certainly there circa 2006 because I did it on Delta) in a long time.  I have carried my ammo in my gun case via Delta into Canada multiple times.  I am also glad to see the rule is now amended to say every hole must have a lock in it.

[hipp2412]

I appreciate everyone's responses. But it is starting to get as clear as mud! lol  I bought a heavy pelican case with good pad locks for every hole, and I am going to have my ammo in the original cardboard box inside the gun case. I feel sure that I will be good to go.. Thanks again