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Started by Spurs, April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 08:55:22 PMHunter mortality, with today's regulations, counts for very little in the overall death of ducks. habitat drives duck populations.
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 15, 2016, 03:59:20 PMHunters have always questioned what the next guy might be using, or how they're using it. We all have to limit our shotguns to 3 rounds for the majority of the game we hunt because of market hunters killing ducks in the early 1900's (not to mention the double-barrel clan cried foul). Does a shotgun REALLY need to be plugged today? Why?
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 15, 2016, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?You, sir, aren't a turkey hunter if you'd even entertain asking that question.Firstly, corn can be disastrous for turkeys when it becomes exposed to moisture and grows harmful bacteria.Secondly, corn is like crack cocaine for turkeys. We have a brain, 10 fingers, 10 toes, guns, shells, camo, calls, and decoys. How much easier does it need to be to kill a turkey? The commercialization of hunting has finally caught up to turkey hunting. The sacredness and art of it is being lost in favor of gadgets, gimmicks, and pansies who want to throw the grand bird over there shoulders without having earned the right to kill one.
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.
Quote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoL
Quote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian!
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on April 16, 2016, 08:53:58 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 15, 2016, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?You, sir, aren't a turkey hunter if you'd even entertain asking that question.Firstly, corn can be disastrous for turkeys when it becomes exposed to moisture and grows harmful bacteria.Secondly, corn is like crack cocaine for turkeys. We have a brain, 10 fingers, 10 toes, guns, shells, camo, calls, and decoys. How much easier does it need to be to kill a turkey? The commercialization of hunting has finally caught up to turkey hunting. The sacredness and art of it is being lost in favor of gadgets, gimmicks, and pansies who want to throw the grand bird over there shoulders without having earned the right to kill one.Why do people on here feel that they need to be a jerk to others. I see this kind of thing on just about every thread.
Quote from: Spurs on April 16, 2016, 10:57:10 AMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 16, 2016, 08:53:58 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 15, 2016, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?You, sir, aren't a turkey hunter if you'd even entertain asking that question.Firstly, corn can be disastrous for turkeys when it becomes exposed to moisture and grows harmful bacteria.Secondly, corn is like crack cocaine for turkeys. We have a brain, 10 fingers, 10 toes, guns, shells, camo, calls, and decoys. How much easier does it need to be to kill a turkey? The commercialization of hunting has finally caught up to turkey hunting. The sacredness and art of it is being lost in favor of gadgets, gimmicks, and pansies who want to throw the grand bird over there shoulders without having earned the right to kill one.Why do people on here feel that they need to be a jerk to others. I see this kind of thing on just about every thread.I am not meaning to come off as a jerk. Any grain in a field is spread out over a fairly large area, therefore, turkey have multiple spots to enter, leave, or lounge. A pile of corn on the other hand is just that, a pile of corn. So, it makes it pretty dang easy for a hunter, coyote, bobcat, or anything for that matter, to take down a bird....could be a hen that has 12 eggs waiting to be incubated. Another thing, you can dang near set a clock to when they will show up daily.
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on April 16, 2016, 11:51:41 AMI still don't understand how a pile of corn would decimate a population with current bag limits and possession limits.