Matt Rinella - HUNTR Podcast

[Farmboy27]

I will agree with you Spurs, hunting shows and YouTube aren't going anywhere. That's because the hunting public continues to embrace them.

[deerhunt1988]

I was kinda using TFT/NWTF as an example, but I think we can both agree that it is totally within the NWTF mission to open up access...although I doubt they really put as much focus on that as they like to portray.

Purchasing land is only one way to get access.  Arkansas has a land leasing program (timber company property) that works wonders, it is just under utilized and very little people outside of the immediate area know about it.  I really liked the idea that Rinella had about requiring some of these land owners that receive farm subsides to allow hunter access...like a trade off deal for the use of public funding.  Although I would imagine there would be some HUGE push back from the farming lobbyists.

I just looked up that Missouri law and that actually blew my mind.  I am highly doubtful that those guys are flipping that kind of coin to do their filming, which could spell disaster if they get caught...

In all honesty, odds are that nothing anyone does will make it good enough for everyone.  Someone is always going to have a problem and that is the nature of freedom of speech.


Well, as deerhunt stated, Trump did change that quite a bit, but DEFINITELY not enough.  But as I stated, there is more than one way to skin a cat.  Land leases, farm subsidies requirements, opening hunting on previously closed areas, etc.  Sure it won't be enough, but it'd get things rolling in the right direction.


We gotta be honest with ourselves and figure out how to get the social media negative to work as positives.  YT, Meta, Instagram, and all that stuff is here to stay.  If we can get those people to use their platform to work in our direction, it'd be the best of both worlds.

The way some of these thread have taken drastic turns lately has me worried I may be seen as trying to stir the pot, but I think this dialog need a lot of attention.  This is where Rinella completely loses me at.  His form of lambasting anyone who disagrees with him not only hurts his argument, but really make me want to completely ignore him.  If he would just take it down a couple of notches, he would probably be grabbing more people's attention and may actually get some of the people he hates up to the table for discussion instead of on the defense.

I'm just a construction guy that has too much time on his hands, but I think there is a way to coexist with both worlds...we just gotta make sure the end result benefits everyone.

Yeah, it is in NWTF's mission. I'm aware of few projects across the U.S. where they've played a significant role in actually opening up access. Plenty of projects where they play a very small hand, but then will add it to pad their numbers and look like the hero.  I can tell you from personal experience working with them. It'd be challenging to find projects in most states, where they were the key player in getting the access. Which is a shame considering how long they've been around and all the effort they've put towards to recruiting more turkey hunters. The following is NWTF's success, almost A HALF AN ACRE per hunter recruited! This model is not sustainable if we expect to maintain affordable, quality turkey hunting.



I'm familiar with the Arkansas program, and it is a good one. There have been substantial public land losses in the southeast that are industrial forest lands. Alabama had multiple industrial forest WMAs, through long-term losses and even the generosity of a family. Well money talks, and those WMAs have been lost completely. I'm aware of another WMA that is currently being leased as well, but shrinking by the year. Mississippi lost a timber lease WMA a couple years ago. But you can't blame the state agencies for these losses, if prices get high enough they simply can't afford to keep pumping money into land they don't own. It would be nice to see other states try the Arkansas model, but with lease prices continually rising (thanks to the commercialization of hunting), I don't see it being economically feasible without major federal government funding (of which there is a little out there).

Farm subsidies allowing hunter access, great idea! Insurmountable odds of it happening.

There are a few folks on social media platforms who somewhat "try" to help the situation or resource. But for every one of them there is a half dozen who don't. And most all have profit/notoriety as a motive. If they received neither, there'd be few of them left.

Agree 100% on Rinella needing to tone it down a bit, and he has. You can tell it big time if you listen to Hunt Quietly. In the beginning his delivery was rough and he was too hardcore, unmoving on his stances and not willing to budge. Well that mentality can alienate people in the middle, or those not sure which side to be own. Rinella realized this and has calmed down a lot and became a better podcast host. He is now getting some GREAT guests on and gaining a lot of traction. It thrilled me to see your thread post, because at this point, any publicity is good publicity to help the Hunt Quietly movement grow. To see Rinella talked about on the Joe Rogan podcast, thanks to him triggering Cam Hanes, was awesome. We need to spread all the awareness we can about what is happening to hunting and what the future is going to look like if we don't start working on changing things.

[Spurs]

I will agree with you Spurs, hunting shows and YouTube aren't going anywhere. That's because the hunting public continues to embrace them.

Exactly, and I am one that will likely continue to watch...helplessly addicted to some of them and keep hoping that this continued scrutiny will somehow reach them.

Perfect world would be if some of the guys he has mentioned will swallow their pride and reach out to him for a type of collaboration.  Sure they may not align on all issues, but together, they may find middle ground to benefit all parties.