Longbeard xr?

[Longshanks]

I don't know if it's velocity increases from staying compact, less pellet deformity, or more pellets per square inch. It may be a combination of all three. Death punch for sure.  They lay down an awesome pattern at 40yds but if the turkey is inside 15-20yds.. It's an easy miss for the best of hunters. I killed one last year inside 15 and it looked like I shot him with a slug. Red dot or scope is a must for me with the LB's.

[Tbrady835]

Yeah u better have an optic under 20!

[owlhoot]

10% greater penetration beyond 50 yards than standard lead loads.


WHAT is a STANDARD  lead load???

[knightrider]

10% greater penetration beyond 50 yards than standard lead loads.


WHAT is a STANDARD  lead load???

Remington Nitro's 

[Tbrady835]

 

[surehuntsalot]

10% greater penetration beyond 50 yards than standard lead loads.


WHAT is a STANDARD  lead load???

they will say anything to sell ammo
I wonder how many birds were killed with those old wore out standard loads???
any of you older hunters remember those Winchester 2-3/4" 1-5/8oz magnum loads from the "old days"

[owlhoot]

never used them. Always used Remington 2 3/4" 6's express magnums. Pattern was better in my old gun.

I do have some old Ted Williams high brass , not sure weight of shot charge though.

[Tbrady835]

My numbers with 6's were excellent they were around 190 in the ten at forty, went to gander mountain and got some more longbeards I picked up some 3"  5 shot  and some 3.5" 5 shot  so we will see,I'll post pics of paterns asap and let u know.. Thanks

[BowBendr]

To the OP's original question.
I believe it is all marketing hype...except for 1 part. The resin lock technology is truly innovative. They are on to something there, the patterns are better, but the rest is pure Bull Pelosi.

Lead shot cannot provide "heavier than lead" performance. Period. Just because you are now achieving denser patterns doesn't mean the shot itself becomes more dense. It cannot proprietarily change in flight, becoming "heavier than lead". The labeling on the box is a lie.

10% more penetration is something I doubt too. Buffered shot was not deformed so bad in previous years than the new protected shot the LB's offer makes it give 10% better performance. In the world of lead shot, 10% is a huge difference...

200 #6 lead (10 g/cc) shot at 1200 fps will not hit a target backstop harder than 200 #6 hevi (12 g/cc) shot at 1200 fps. The laws of physics tell us that it simply isn't true. It can't be true. I don't know what people are seeing when they say that they "see" the target backstop being knocked around harder than their HTL loads were moving them. It just possibly cant be true, unless your other setup was shooting so bad that it didn't belong in the woods.

Not knocking the LB's. I've shot them and they provide the best lead patterns from my 835 that I've ever had, but there are some things being said by Winchester that simply aren't true.

Winchester does it with the LB's, Envirometal does it in their magnum blend ads...either way, hunters gobble it up...and that was both companies intentions.