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Started by Cutt, May 09, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Cutt on May 09, 2014, 08:47:51 PMRead a NWTF article on gobbling birds on pressured land and unpressured land. Basically concluded birds learn to gobble less on pressured land vs. unpressured land, which I tend to agree. But have a hard time believing the last sentence of the article? "The study suggests that the hunted birds negatively associate gobbling with seeing other turkeys being shot or learning that not all calling is coming from hens, but from hunters nearby."
Quote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:25:29 PMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 09, 2014, 11:08:49 PMQuote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.This, plus add in the time of the breeding cycle - early, middle, end - and that will influence the gobbler's inclination to gobble. Even a bird you patterned, and know to be mouthy, will probably keep quiet when he wakes up with a half dozen hens or so around him in the roost tree. After the hens go to nest, then he will likely get mouthy again.Turkeys hear other turkeys 365 days a year cluck and purr softly, and cutt and cackle wildly. To essentially suggest a turkey would hear a string of yelps and think to himself "oh no, sounds like a predator that learned to mimic our vocalizations, I'm going the other way" is absurd.I hunted a bird this morning that has been called in 4x and shot at once last Saturday. I only used a wing to simulate 2 flydowns while I was 75 yards from him and then scratched in the leaves. He lost his mind to all of that but still knew to fly the other way and carry on his business by himself.I yelped at him once he flew down 150 yards away from me. He gobbled 2x on the ground and that was it.They wise up once the pressure gets on them and I think some are conditioned to disassociate themselves with calling.I don't disagree birds will respond to pressure, just like a mature buck will change his habits.But that same gobbler you mention, if he's been around enough years, has also been jumped, chased and run down by countless predators, countless of times, while he was on his way to his brood hen yelping, on his way to his flock mates kee-keeing, and on his way to mature hens yelping and cutting for mating. One bad day isn't going to change his behavior as this article suggests. Everyday is a bad day for a turkey. He's always today's special on every predator's breakfast, lunch and dinner menu.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 09, 2014, 11:08:49 PMQuote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.This, plus add in the time of the breeding cycle - early, middle, end - and that will influence the gobbler's inclination to gobble. Even a bird you patterned, and know to be mouthy, will probably keep quiet when he wakes up with a half dozen hens or so around him in the roost tree. After the hens go to nest, then he will likely get mouthy again.Turkeys hear other turkeys 365 days a year cluck and purr softly, and cutt and cackle wildly. To essentially suggest a turkey would hear a string of yelps and think to himself "oh no, sounds like a predator that learned to mimic our vocalizations, I'm going the other way" is absurd.I hunted a bird this morning that has been called in 4x and shot at once last Saturday. I only used a wing to simulate 2 flydowns while I was 75 yards from him and then scratched in the leaves. He lost his mind to all of that but still knew to fly the other way and carry on his business by himself.I yelped at him once he flew down 150 yards away from me. He gobbled 2x on the ground and that was it.They wise up once the pressure gets on them and I think some are conditioned to disassociate themselves with calling.
Quote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.This, plus add in the time of the breeding cycle - early, middle, end - and that will influence the gobbler's inclination to gobble. Even a bird you patterned, and know to be mouthy, will probably keep quiet when he wakes up with a half dozen hens or so around him in the roost tree. After the hens go to nest, then he will likely get mouthy again.Turkeys hear other turkeys 365 days a year cluck and purr softly, and cutt and cackle wildly. To essentially suggest a turkey would hear a string of yelps and think to himself "oh no, sounds like a predator that learned to mimic our vocalizations, I'm going the other way" is absurd.
Quote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.