Black Kettle/Packsaddle Oklahoma.. numbers back up??

[zelmo1]

  All states should give the residents a 3-7 day head start. Non residents have no need to shoot more than one bird. I don't mind paying for each tag as you go either. Shoot a jake, you only get a Tom tag(2 bird limit here) shoot a Tom, you get a "legal bird tag" I really don't see the need to shoot 2 jakes. Z

[Cowboy]

We are reaping what a small group of influencers/hunting companies have sown in the name of $$$.

Yes

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[budtripp]

times two.  We are in the information age.  Things aren't going to change.  Influencers will continue to influence.  Companies will continue to sell their goods and influence even more. We really have a "ban everything" bunch on this forum at times.  So far we have had - no blinds, no decoys of any kind, no male decoys, no TSS,  no E-bikes (agree with this one - with exceptions), no jakes harvested (with exceptions), no filming (the BIGGIE), no non-residents or at least price/regulate them out, no mention of any specific area just to name a few. There have been plenty more. If some get their way we'll be hunting naked smeared in mud throwing stones. Would really hate to see that (with exceptions). 

Done on this subject.  The ships have been sunk.  The horse has been beaten rather badly. A shame on so many levels not the least the number of those that post once or sign up and are never seen again.

So you seem to enjoy complaining about complainers. What would you have them do? Just lay down and take it? Are you saying we shouldn't at least try and fix things? Just lay back and accept our fate like helpless fools? Why do you constantly waste so much breath (or typing)? Lol. People are seeing something they love and hold dear being slowly stripped away and diluted and yet they just need to "accept it"? Psshhh let people vent.

[Clif Owen]

You guys really need to look at your comments and then look at yourself in the mirror. I have noticed several of you complaining about non residents hunting your state but think nothing about the fact that you're doing the same things in a lot of cases. Or is it different because YOU are the one hunting out of state? Noticed more than one talking about it and also their own personal Super Slam. I understand that the population in a lot of states is taking a beating. I know that I personally found a spot with a few turkeys before the season and I have yet to be able to hunt the spot. It seems that someone is parked there every single morning before 4am. Usually it's 2 or 3 trucks there and not always the same ones. Yes, it's frustrating but no cure for it. I don't know if they are sleeping in the truck or what.
OK..Rant over

[Tail Feathers]

Arkansas boys season doesn't open til April 21st (which is insane. It's full foliage summer by then). So adapting is important. Also Arkansas gets absolutely overrun with non resident duck hunters. They outnumber residents handily......I'd venture to guess no other states compares in non resident harassment of locals. So by the time the spring gets here it's time for revenge

Texas' Eastern season opens today, April 22.  Every year.  Talk about late, I'm 3 hours south of the AR state line.  But yeh, the waterfowling in AR is overrun by OOS'ers. 
If you remember, AR was kind of the first state to experience the rapid decline in turkey numbers, years before it hit the SE states.  I don't think they have rebounded much either.

[2flyfish4]

Won't be surprised to see these units be draw only on the next year or two.

[deerhunt1988]

Won't be surprised to see these units be draw only on the next year or two.

Oh they will be. Already in the works. Non-rez can plan on paying more to hunt there as well:

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/oklahoma-permission-hunt-public-land/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJ5RFFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpgRxArZKbxVfbwmOC8lWcBRF9f7B4SYmAFRxLK1C5eMvY2J9K_bjfz5lUy6_aem_3cHw21NX0ynrcn5nW-zJKw

[GobbleNut]

I foresee, in the future, that turkey hunting these types of public areas will go to some system similar to what a lot of western states have in place for big game hunting. That is, there will be a set number of permits based on the turkey numbers and projected harvest goals there will be a lottery/drawing with residents getting a certain percentage (most of the permits) and nonresidents getting a small percentage.

Succinctly, demand is exceeding supply...and things will naturally progress to systems that account for that and address the need for proper management of the resource. It ain't pretty or desirable to a lot of us, but we may as well get our heads wrapped around the fact that it is coming...and is needed.

[Turkeyman]

Sure would be nice if people figured out loose lips sink ships. 

Never happen. Too many egos out there and guys looking for some kind of recognition.

[Clif Owen]

Guys...there is a MAJOR difference in someone asking about a certain area and someone just posting about an area on YouTube or something. Personally, if a guy asked me about a particular spot; I might tell him what I do or don't know about it. On a similar note; I asked a guy on here who had shot a couple of birds if he hunted any in one area I did. He was very rude about saying he wouldn't tell me anything and the sad part was that I had another reason for even asking if he hunted the same area. After being called lazy; I decided that it would be better if I DIDN"T know who he was or what area he hunted because I would have dedicated my season to ruining his.

[Tail Feathers]

Some seem to think there are gangs of non-residents sitting in their trucks waiting to swarm to the latest spot disclosed on social media. Might be an exaggeration.  The good old days are gone. Time to get over it.

No, those folks are in their living room.  But they are looking for that hot tip.   

[The Lung]

Joey, my man. You gotta let people discuss and vent a little. This is a discussion forum about turkey hunting. You get more hung up about people discussing regulations and spot burning than the actual people discussing and venting.
Deep breaths.
We will all keep hunting turkeys. We love it too much. We will all adapt to the new way of doing things or not hunt.