How do you explain the concept of TSS

[g8rvet]

Great point bwhana.  That radiograph under my tag line is with #7 Federal Heavyweight and there are not many pellets retained.  That bird was shot about 30 yards.  Another Xray I took was shot with lead #6 and there were a ton of pellets.   The HW just zipped right through.  He was ate up with pellets.

[owlhoot]

A number 9 TSS pellet weighs right there with a 7 1/2 lead pellet.
But even those who swear by the old Federal 2 oz 7 1/2 loads say they wouldn't trust them much beyond 35 yards. 
Yet no improvement from TSS 9 shot in killing ability?

Most .410 TSS patterns have no more pellets than the average 5 lead pattern from a 12 gauge. 
So how is it that a TSS 9 .410 load kill turkeys just as dead as the 5 lead of a 12 gauge with both doing around 100 or so in the 10" at 40 yards? You have to have more TSS in the pattern? Don't believe so.
Those who gave up the 3 1/2" lead loads for a 20, 28, or even the little .410 with TSS are only looking to increase the range past 40, really? What was the 3 1/2 12 for ? Or the longbeard loads that some love to use?

[owlhoot]

I have always been a lead guy. I loved the Winchester extended range and would still shoot them if they still made it. I'm not debating but really trying to understand more about from all you guys that shoot tss and maybe what I'm doing wrong. I shot tss for the last 2 years and 1 out of 8 birds it killed dead right there, the rest took off running for 30 or 40 yards and just fell over. I've never had that problem with lead. I have switched back to lead because of that. Has anyone else had this problem. The way it looks on paper it seems it would be devastating.

If 7 out of 8 gobblers took off running you're not putting the shot where it should go or shooting way too far.

Yes, sounds like body shot birds. But the TSS penetrated the vitals, heart lungs etc.

[briton]

If ppl cant understand the connection of weight, pattern density, penetration, and number of hits in the vitals then they are clueless and will never understand unless you shot a pattern of each in front of them with sheet metal as the backer to let them visualize the pattern density and penetration that tss offers. A lot of ppl are too ignorant or simply won't take the time to put the thought process thru their head. Do you have to shoot tss, NO, is it far superior, YES.