IMAGINE IF.....

[Happy]

I am just glad I can see the regulations for what they are. Bare minimum requirements for those undisciplined and incapable of setting higher standards for themselves. Personally, I refuse to be a bare minimum guy. Especially in a sport I claim to be passionate about. I am gonna keep working on myself and pushing to be better than GED level in turkey hunting and in life. I have plenty to keep me busy, and y'all can figure out your own lives. I know I am not gonna let my kids get by with GED type behavior, though. We have enough of those type running around.

[eggshell]

come on happy....what the heck is this G.E.D. stuff. your a G.O.A.T.S your already post graduate level. This is not the rookie league, man. Run three times up the mountain and back and then we'll consider your pentence.

[Happy]

come on happy....what the heck is this G.E.D. stuff. your a G.O.A.T.S your already post graduate level. This is not the rookie league, man. Run three times up the mountain and back and then we'll consider your pentence.

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[WV Flopper]

 Really.....to address the question of the OP.

It would amount to nothing or only a small help to the overall population of the wild turkey. Eastern States are vastly Private Property. Only doing these things on Public ground will not make much of a difference if any.

Wishful thinking.

[Paulmyr]

Imagine if CRP wasn't passed in the 1985 farm bill allowing land owners to get paid for planting pine trees as a water quality and erosion control effort with the promise of it being a cash crop when then forest matured. The initial stages of the plantings was great for wild turkeys as it provided excellent habitat for nesting and brood rearing and coincided with the boom many states seen in their turkey populations. But as the pine trees matured the bottom fell out of the market. Land owners no longer managed the trees as a cash crop by thinning and allowing sunlight to get to the forest floor. The plantings have become a wasteland as far as turkey habitat and the maturity of these forests also coincides with the decline in turkey populations in many states.

Also the bill provided payments to land converted to non native grassy habitat by allowing mat forming pasture grasses like fescue and bermuda to be planted causing millions of acres of possible brood rearing habitat to go to the wayside also in the name of water quality and erosion control.

Many state, city, and county agencies also have these types of mat forming grasses on their lists of preferred plantings for erosion control.

Imagine if millions of acres of private land wasn't converted to these polt rearing/ turkey wastelands. Imagine if govt agencies weren't planting this garbage on the side of roads, interstates, and other construction projects where erosion control was needed. Imagine if all this acreage was planted in forbes like clover and other  polt friendly plants.

So it seems in the name of protecting the environment it's possible great harm has been done to wild turkeys and other ground nesting birds like the Bobwhite quail.

Imagine if people were aware of this.

[sasquatch1]

Imagine if CRP wasn't passed in the 1985 farm bill allowing land owners to get paid for planting pine trees as a water quality and erosion control effort with the promise of it being a cash crop when then forest matured. The initial stages of the plantings was great for wild turkeys as it provided excellent habitat for nesting and brood rearing and coincided with the boom many states seen in their turkey populations. But as the pine trees matured the bottom fell out of the market. Land owners no longer managed the trees as a cash crop by thinning and allowing sunlight to get to the forest floor. The plantings have become a wasteland as far as turkey habitat and the maturity of these forests also coincides with the decline in turkey populations in many states.

Also the bill provided payments to land converted to non native grassy habitat by allowing mat forming pasture grasses like fescue and bermuda to be planted causing millions of acres of possible brood rearing habitat to go to the wayside also in the name of water quality and erosion control.

Many state, city, and county agencies also have these types of mat forming grasses on their lists of preferred plantings for erosion control.

Imagine if millions of acres of private land wasn't converted to these polt rearing/ turkey wastelands. Imagine if govt agencies weren't planting this garbage on the side of roads, interstates, and other construction projects where erosion control was needed. Imagine if all this acreage was planted in forbes like clover and other  polt friendly plants.

So it seems in the name of protecting the environment it's possible great harm has been done to wild turkeys and other ground nesting birds like the Bobwhite quail.

Imagine if people were aware of this.

Good portion probably would've became crops which aren't very good either. Maybe worse in some ways


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[Paulmyr]

Imagine if CRP wasn't passed in the 1985 farm bill allowing land owners to get paid for planting pine trees as a water quality and erosion control effort with the promise of it being a cash crop when then forest matured. The initial stages of the plantings was great for wild turkeys as it provided excellent habitat for nesting and brood rearing and coincided with the boom many states seen in their turkey populations. But as the pine trees matured the bottom fell out of the market. Land owners no longer managed the trees as a cash crop by thinning and allowing sunlight to get to the forest floor. The plantings have become a wasteland as far as turkey habitat and the maturity of these forests also coincides with the decline in turkey populations in many states.

Also the bill provided payments to land converted to non native grassy habitat by allowing mat forming pasture grasses like fescue and bermuda to be planted causing millions of acres of possible brood rearing habitat to go to the wayside also in the name of water quality and erosion control.

Many state, city, and county agencies also have these types of mat forming grasses on their lists of preferred plantings for erosion control.

Imagine if millions of acres of private land wasn't converted to these polt rearing/ turkey wastelands. Imagine if govt agencies weren't planting this garbage on the side of roads, interstates, and other construction projects where erosion control was needed. Imagine if all this acreage was planted in forbes like clover and other  polt friendly plants.

So it seems in the name of protecting the environment it's possible great harm has been done to wild turkeys and other ground nesting birds like the Bobwhite quail.

Imagine if people were aware of this.

Good portion probably would've became crops which aren't very good either. Maybe worse in some ways


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Actually in the southeast over 2 million acres was converted from poor quality Ag land( pasture and crop) to planted pine forest in a matter of 7 years from the inception of CRP in the 85 farm bill until 1992. That's not including pine plantings from lumber companies. Because of the enactment of CRP and corporate plantings, 20 percent of all land in the southeast is pine plantation of which the 2 million acres  that were enrolled in CRP are managed poorly if at all.

Episode #21 of the TFT Wild Turkey Science Podcast covers this and a bunch of other land use changes that have occured during the boom of wild turkeys and the possible relationship between the decline and these land use changes. It's a really good listen for anybody concerned with declining turkey populations in the southeast and other parts of the country.

[WV Flopper]

 And, if the ground wasn't subsidized it very well could ha e been sold and "Improved". Could have been proved by malls, shopping centers, housing developments....

Pines are far better than some options.

[Paulmyr]

And, if the ground wasn't subsidized it very well could ha e been sold and "Improved". Could have been proved by malls, shopping centers, housing developments....

Pines are far better than some options.

I guess anything is possible but than the land that was developed instead would still be untouched.

[GobbleNut]

And, if the ground wasn't subsidized it very well could ha e been sold and "Improved". Could have been proved by malls, shopping centers, housing developments....

From what I have seen recently, housing developments have become prime wild turkey habitat...   

[zelmo1]

The weapons of choice there are hockey sticks and lacrosse sticks, lol. Z

[Hook hanger]

I can imagine alot right now with turkey season so far away! Most of it though is how or where I'm going to kill the next one! Tactics and Ethics just show what type of hunter you are. I tend to worry more about how I personally hunt more than the way others hunt.

[El Pavo Grande]

Imagine if the majority of hunters could think outside the box and beyond "if it's legal" and "limits".  And  rather than spending effort, time, and money to make the hunting easier, focus on improving habitat and removing predators, wherever applicable on public and private.  Imagine if these wildlife organizations concentrated more on ground level work than recruiting new members, and were a voice of reason for some of the questionable "killing" tactics and self promotion marketing that is limiting opportunity.

[WV Flopper]

  I agree, housing developments can be great habitat. The best place I hunt borders a housing development. I have literally called Toms through people's yard. This piece of property is under contract with a solar company, so my hunting time there is limited for sure. I have hunted it for.maybe 12 years, heck of a ride.

Down the road a few miles is a very similar situation, very small wood lots that are full of turkeys. All private with unattainable permission/access.