Ethics

[saltysenior]

Some recent threads have brought up the subject of ethics and how some feel about some of the modern methods (fanning , trail cams , etc.) used now a days.....but I haven't heard too much about the thoughts about the ethnicity of a paid hunt.....I'm not against them , but I think harvesting a bird that way is a different story than an plain ,old fashion hunt ..   

[RiverBuck]

Ethics are how you like to legally hunt. The internet brings about all types of hunters. Threads like these just fuel the fire to what one person thinks is correct. Besides, who sets the standards? You? Or, do they rule your mind?

...but what do I know. I'm just the NFG round here.

[Greg Massey]

Some people may not have private or public land to hunt. I see nothing wrong with booking a paid hunting. Most of these hunts,  I'm sure are well managed for the most part.. IMO

[Paulmyr]

I don't think paying for a hunt is unethical. Not my choice. I would never pay to have someone take me hunting. I have paid for access to land pheasant hunting.
The means in which the hunt takes place may come into play when talking ethical. Problem is ethics can be a matter of opinion. Who decides what fair chase is? Ultimately only the hunter can decide.

[Big Jeremy]

If someone can afford to pay for a hunt with an outfitter and they want to do so, more power to them. As long as everything is done by the law, there's absolutely nothing unethical about it. I'm not sure where "ethnicity" comes into this equation, though...LOL


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[TonyTurk]

I've paid for two guided hunts.  Both times I found that the guides, although they worked hard and were good fellas, knew less about turkey hunting than I did.  I think they were "deer guides" who were guiding turkey hunters in the spring.  It was nice to have access to the private ground they hunted though, it was loaded with birds.

[Gooserbat]

As a former guide... It's hard to guide people who have different ideas and expectations than the guide.

[Sir-diealot]

I have never paid for a guide but have no problem with it. I was saving to go on a bear hunting trip before my car accident and that would have been with a guide. I have heard of some guide services for turkey that basically put you over a feeder, I have zero interest in that, I just want to be shown the area they frequent and then try to get one.

Another thing with guides, you have people like myself with some physical and or financial limitations that can't go out and scout an out of state hunt, especially when you are talking several states over for a subspecies that is not easy to get to for just a few bucks, a guide could come in mighty handy, but again I would want to be taken to a area that has been scouted and set up there, not a canned hunt.

I think spell checker really did you wrong with "ethnicity" lol

[eggshell]

As a former guide... It's hard to guide people who have different ideas and expectations than the guide.

I can't even imagine what guides deal with, I have heard some of the stories and they are terrifying. I suppose you have to do an evaluation when you first meet. In every case I have used an outfitter we had to kind of prove our skill and common sense level the first day and then we'd get more rope. One time we ended up calling for the guide, he was one of those deer guides that picked up a few extra bucks on turkeys. He was a great guy and took us to turkeys, but a pee poor turkey hunter. I have to chuckle, he took us to a spot and said their down there guys, go get em, I'm not even going to embarrass myself with you two.

To stay on topic, I think it's fine to pay for a hunt. what your paying for is access and scouting knowledge, it's still a hunt your not buying a animal out of a freezer. Now a pen hunt with no fair chase.....that is not for me.

[Dtrkyman]

I speak from the opposite end of the spectrum, being a guide for over 20 years, many of my clients particularly the semi guided ones all know more about turkeys than the leading biologist in the country prior to the hunt starting.

When they don't kill a bird off the roost on the "easy" private land they blame everything but themselves, prime example in Nebraska we tell guys the best hunting is mid day. say 11-4pm, guess how many guys are hunting then?  I would say 5 percent at best.   Had a father son hunt a piece for 3 days, granted weather was not great but the place is stacked, back to camp by 9am every day and wait until 3 to head back out.

They left without killing a bird, I grabbed a guy the following day and headed over there at noon, we did'nt make it 20 minutes into the hunt, struck a bird and killed him, timing is everything and you have got to hunt, May in Nebraska has some looong days!

[NCL]

Never used a paid guide for turkeys but certainly do not see an ethical problem if that is your choice. As was stated in many cases it is probably more about access to land than the need for help. I have used paid guides for both big game and fishing trips. There some states that I believe if you are hunting big game you are required to be with a guide if you are NR. Been on numerous guided fishing trips and that is both about access and knowledge of current conditions, also in many cases the guide actually made the guide so much more fun. On one occasion the guide got me laughing so hard I though I was going to fall out of the boat.

[catman529]

Private property paid hunt, nothing wrong with that. It's not for me, but some people don't have or want to make time to get out and find their own birds, which is fine.

Public land guides, I feel a bit differently about. I've seen a really good place gradually turn into a circus over the years because of a few guys taking clients out there every year. All those clients learned some good spots and could go back whenever they want and tell their buddies about it. Due to the property lines it became overcrowded to the point it's almost not worth going anymore.

Kinda along the lines of what I learned about showing too much on YouTube, except that a guide can't take someone to a spot and prevent them from dropping pins and sharing it with everyone.


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