I am shooting a SBEII with 28" barrel. I have tried EM Hevi-7's 3.5" 2-1/4 oz, Nitro H51013a 2-1/4 oz #4x5x7's, Nitro H517t #4x5x7's, and Nitro H517r, 2-7/16 oz #7's through Rhino 0.660", Pure Gold 0.670", and Jelly Head 0.668".
The hevi's give better results through all chokes than the Nitro loads even the straight 7 Nitro's that had 3/16 oz more shot. I won't give Nitro any more of my money.
The best combo i tested was the hevi-7's and the Pure Gold 0.670". 290+ average in the 10" with nice even coverage of the 20" circle.
I leave Thursday for NE and hopefully KS after that. The PG and the H-13 &'s will be in the gun for backup to my primary weapon - Drenalin LD with 290 fps with a two blade Rage of fury giving 2" - 3" patterns at 40 yards.
That was my experience with the Nitro 4x5x7 in my xtrema 2 and my Urika 2. The hevi 7's patterned better and my POI/POA remained fairly close.
Good luck to you in NE and KS and hope to hear a good story with the Mathews! I shoot the same bow whitetail hunting and it doesnt get much better than that.
That's been my point all along. Why shoot Nitros for double the price of the Hevi-13 loads when the latter will beat it?
I expected to hear from you Hevi. Not quite double the price - 6.75 vs 5.00. However, the H-13's definitely give better patterns in my gun. Throw in the fact that some are seeing high pressure with the Nitros and it's a no-brainer even for an AR hillbilly. lol
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
I expected to hear from you Hevi. Not quite double the price - 6.75 vs 5.00. However, the H-13's definitely give better patterns in my gun. Throw in the fact that some are seeing high pressure with the Nitros and it's a no-brainer even for an AR hillbilly. lol
H13 is $20 a box plus there $5 rebate = $3 a shell you cant beat that :z-guntootsmiley:
Just curious...did you try any Nitro loads with 2 1/4oz of straight #7's instead of the 4x5x7's?
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 17, 2011, 10:03:05 AM
Just curious...did you try any Nitro loads with 2 1/4oz of straight #7's instead of the 4x5x7's?
Yes I did. The ones I tested last night were the H517r loads developed for the Xtrema2/SBE2. They were 2-7/16 oz of straight 7's. I was expecting big numbers but did not get them???
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 17, 2011, 10:03:05 AM
Just curious...did you try any Nitro loads with 2 1/4oz of straight #7's instead of the 4x5x7's?
Yes I did. The ones I tested last night were the H517r loads developed for the Xtrema2/SBE2. They were 2-7/16 oz of straight 7's. I was expecting big numbers but did not get them???
2 1/4oz, not 2 7/16oz.
Sorry...Slicky already asked you that in your other thread. The point being, a 2 1/4oz of straight #7's from Nitro might make a better comparison.
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 17, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
Sorry...Slicky already asked you that in your other thread. The point being, a 2 1/4oz of straight #7's from Nitro might make a better comparison.
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Quote from: stinkpickle on May 17, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
Sorry...Slicky already asked you that in your other thread. The point being, a 2 1/4oz of straight #7's from Nitro might make a better comparison.
Sorry stink, I missed the 2-1/4 oz part of your question. I only tried the H517's in straight 7's. As many of you as think the 2-1/4 oz may be superior, I may just have to try them. Do you guys suggest the 51013 in straight 7??
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 10:19:24 AM
...Do you guys suggest the 51013 in straight 7??
That's probably what I'd try.
Quote from: Gobble! on May 17, 2011, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
I expected to hear from you Hevi. Not quite double the price - 6.75 vs 5.00. However, the H-13's definitely give better patterns in my gun. Throw in the fact that some are seeing high pressure with the Nitros and it's a no-brainer even for an AR hillbilly. lol
H13 is $20 a box plus there $5 rebate = $3 a shell you cant beat that :z-guntootsmiley:
i haven't figured out the rebate thing yet, but even at $4 plus tax and shipping it's a bargain for the performance delivered
I don't think too many Nitro loads will beat this.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00532.jpg)
Or this
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00215.jpg)
Those are sick patterns, Hevi! I want the 320 - 340 range, but may not be able to get it without custom barrel work. Funny thing is, I just picked up a barely used 835 turkey gun for $200 bucks. That's way less than I've spent on ammo trying to get best performance out of SBEII and so far the hevi-7's are tops.
Thanks. What length barrel did you get? Mine is a 28" barrel.
If you want, I can tell you how I polished my barrel.. I also polished my chamber to slick it up. It cycles shells so much smoother now.
I used JB Bore-Brite and I finished with the Mothers Chrome & Wheel Polish. I think that Mothers stuff puts the finishing touches to make a barrel shine like nothing else.
It's a 28" tube also. Is your polishing method different than the sticky here? If so, I would love to hear your method.
It's pretty much the same as the one here. But like I said I polished my chamber a little to slick it up.
And I finished with the Mothers after the JB. The Mothers is just a finer polisher than the JB.
And I move my drill real slow in and out with the rod and brush.
The chamber polishing is a good idea if you're gonna play with Nitros in that 835. ;)
I'll add that I didn't use the empty hull to insert my rod through. You really don't need the hull anyway. But I see the point.
I did my 835 with a cordless drill. Went through one battery and then went through another.
I now have an electric drill that should even be better than the cordless drill for polishing. More power and faster.
I may have to use it on my 835 just to see if it will improve any. But the way it has been shooting I can't see messing with it.
I don't plan to try the Nitro's in the 835 - just H-13 and my own hand loads.
And don't worry about how many passes you make. Just go real slow forwards and backwards and let drill and the stuff do the work.
And I want to see some patterns with that 835 afterwards ok. Your gonna be amazed if you can find a Star Dot choke or just get a Pure Gold .670 and they shoot about as good.
And I wanted to show you my most even 10" pattern I think I have shot with my 835 although the 10" count is less than the other two I posted already.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0056_Small_.jpg)
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 17, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
And I want to see some patterns with that 835 afterwards ok. Your gonna be amazed if you can find a Star Dot choke or just get a Pure Gold .670 and they shoot about as good.
It won't be soon hevi, but I will shoot a couple before patterns and then after polishing as well.
No problem. I need to get out and shoot my 835 since I put the new TruGlo sight on it.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/medium/DSCF01953.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/medium/DSCF01991.jpg)
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 17, 2011, 12:15:11 PM
No problem. I need to get out and shoot my 835 since I put the new TruGlo sight on it.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/medium/DSCF01953.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/medium/DSCF01991.jpg)
Sorry to momentarily hijack this thread, but I'm really looking forward to hearing how this sight holds up when you shoot it. I've been eyeing them for a while now, but have been hesitant to buy one for each of my guns without hearing more reviews. Please let me know.
Thanks, Matt
Will do Matt.
I will try and shoot it this weekend.
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Funny thing is, I just picked up a barely used 835 turkey gun for $200 bucks. That's way less than I've spent on ammo trying to get best performance out of SBEII and so far the hevi-7's are tops.
Funny thing is my 835 still outshoots my SBE 2 any day. Tried numerous chokes and loads as well.
Quote from: beagler on May 17, 2011, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: drenalinld on May 17, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Funny thing is, I just picked up a barely used 835 turkey gun for $200 bucks. That's way less than I've spent on ammo trying to get best performance out of SBEII and so far the hevi-7's are tops.
Funny thing is my 835 still outshoots my SBE 2 any day. Tried numerous chokes and loads as well.
A good 835 (or 935) will do that to most shotguns. A lot of shells love that oversized bore...even rough from the factory.
Here's my 2 7/16 oz Nitro straight 7's 296 in 10"
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_07632.jpg)
2 1/4 oz Nitro 7's 362 in 10"
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_02751.JPG)
I've never cleaned the barrel of this gun. Didn't see much need. I'm sure a little polishing would help those numbers.
Remington 870 .660 JH 23" barrel
Nice.
What a difference that 2 1/4oz load makes! I tried the 2 7/16 in the tri-plex load and never got what I was after. Gonna give the 2 1/4oz 7's a try next :z-guntootsmiley:
BTW, they say to be cautious about polishing the chrome lined Benelli barrels, is there anything to that?
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 17, 2011, 09:49:30 AM
That's been my point all along. Why shoot Nitros for double the price of the Hevi-13 loads when the latter will beat it?
Tell that to the folks that bought the 2011 lot numbers of these loads. I've been shooting Nitro's for the last 9 seasons and decided I'd give the Hevi 7's a try this year since my Nitro stock was running low. I got the "new" lot number and they weren't even in the same ball park as my Nitro's. In fact, they were effectively half the pellet count of the Nitro's. In my case, double the price did equate to double the performance.
After I used my remaining Nitro's, I switched over to the Hevi-13 7's and killed 3 more birds with them, and they worked fine. That's not my point, though. I'm not saying they were ineffective loads, but rather it's kind of a broad statement to make given the inconsistencies I've seen posted on these boards with those shells. They'll work all day long, but consitent pattern peformance in my own experience was apples to oranges.
Quote from: jperrotti on May 19, 2011, 09:37:43 AM
Here's my 2 7/16 oz Nitro straight 7's 296 in 10"
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_07632.jpg)
2 1/4 oz Nitro 7's 362 in 10"
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_02751.JPG)
I've never cleaned the barrel of this gun. Didn't see much need. I'm sure a little polishing would help those numbers.
Remington 870 .660 JH 23" barrel
I kinda like the 2 7/16 oz. That pattern is WIDE!
Quote from: J-Shaped on May 19, 2011, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 17, 2011, 09:49:30 AM
That's been my point all along. Why shoot Nitros for double the price of the Hevi-13 loads when the latter will beat it?
Tell that to the folks that bought the 2011 lot numbers of these loads. I've been shooting Nitro's for the last 9 seasons and decided I'd give the Hevi 7's a try this year since my Nitro stock was running low. I got the "new" lot number and they weren't even in the same ball park as my Nitro's. In fact, they were effectively half the pellet count of the Nitro's. In my case, double the price did equate to double the performance.
After I used my remaining Nitro's, I switched over to the Hevi-13 7's and killed 3 more birds with them, and they worked fine. That's not my point, though. I'm not saying they were ineffective loads, but rather it's kind of a broad statement to make given the inconsistencies I've seen posted on these boards with those shells. They'll work all day long, but consitent pattern peformance in my own experience was apples to oranges.
Amen I have about 15 H13 shells left. 8 from last year 7 from this year when they are gone Im going to Nitros