The other morning I parked my truck about 80yds short of a gate which blocks the road which continues on for about a mile. I was within 40 yds of the gate and I hear an atv coming behind me. I knew the guy and his young son so I stepped off the edge and expected them to stop. Instead they zoomed on by to the gate. When I got to the gate they had bugged out. I walked maybe another 60 yds and turned off into an old road and there they stood. My feeling is that they should have stopped and asked where I was headed instead of blasting by and running to where I am sure they knew I was headed. If it was the other way around I would have asked where they were headed and gone in a different direction. Curious as to how you guys would feel.
I feel the same as you.
I would have taken the time to talk to the guy that got to the spot 1st.
It is just common curtesy: I know some will chime in and say it is " public land" people can go and gunt where they want. I disagree totally!
And he is teaching his son to do the same thing. Sad, very sad.
It was private ground and we both are in the same club. Agree not good for the son. When I hunt NF and I see a guy waiting on more light I will ask him where he wants to go and I will trek elsewhere. This father has lied to me before about bowhunting right on top of me. I found his baitpile which is illegal in WV.
Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
It was private ground and we both are in the same club. Agree not good for the son. When I hunt NF and I see a guy waiting on more light I will ask him where he wants to go and I will trek elsewhere. This father has lied to me before about bowhunting right on top of me. I found his baitpile which is illegal in WV.
so he is a poacher not a hunter? sounds like he is teaching the new generation of slob hunter.
Respect and curtesy for others use to be the gentlemen's rule. Not so much now. :z-twocents:
The father just wants to kill as does his 15 yr. old boy. The father acts the part of Mr. Hunter with the latest gear and talk about the hottest products out there. I am put off by him and his lack of respect for fellow hunters. His father in law and brother in law hunt the same way. From now on he can expect the same from me.
I thought it was public at first, but it's a club and you're both members? Sounds like a fun club.
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Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
It was private ground and we both are in the same club. Agree not good for the son. When I hunt NF and I see a guy waiting on more light I will ask him where he wants to go and I will trek elsewhere. This father has lied to me before about bowhunting right on top of me. I found his baitpile which is illegal in WV.
so he is a poacher not a hunter? sounds like he is teaching the new generation of slob hunter.
I hope you turned him in for the illegal bait pile. Then have him kicked outta the club for unlawful hunting. Doesn't your club have bylaws to deal with that?
Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 07:21:17 PM
The father just wants to kill as does his 15 yr. old boy. The father acts the part of Mr. Hunter with the latest gear and talk about the hottest products out there. I am put off by him and his lack of respect for fellow hunters. His father in law and brother in law hunt the same way. From now on he can expect the same from me.
If he is illegally baiting deer and killing them,he is not a hunter he is a slob poacher.I have no use for poachers,I would have turned that slob in asap.
dgobble, This club is mostly family and friends of 20 guys and has been going since 1972. One family has to be the boss as you know families are. WV allowed baiting until a couple years ago but recently stopped it. Still it is widely known that people of the state still do it. It is hard enforcing rules with families and when members won't call an individual out for multiple reasons. As I said, I have had it with him and he may see himself in me this year.
We have a sign in book for that problem first come first served...not sure it would have helped with that guy though.
I would try to talk to him about it first, and if it didn't go the direction I wanted I'd let the club elected officials handle it.
I would have went to him and called him out on it. These type folks I know what is right and he knew exactly what he was doing. He's likely cower to a good confrontation about his antics and he'd likely be Leary of doing it so openly again.
I'd really have to have a talk with him, may never help one bit but my voice would be heard, ethics doesn't sound like it's high on his list of priorities... If your "club" has some rules to go by or the "group" has some sort leaders I would go there as well. Seems to be pretty low knowing you hunt the club...
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I still and always will try to live by treating others how I want to be treated. Once I'm crossed that all goes out the window though..
I have a few former friends because of the way they hunt, either that or taking very marginal shots to those that sling lead without aiming. I was out sighting guns with a few friends and the one kid went down to reset targets and his cousin shot a target about 10 years from him. I will never hunt with his cousin I can tell you that much! I also have a friend that has been through a lot with cancer, he always wants the prime spots and I normally let him have them but it would be nice just once not to sit in the less than optimum spots.
Do you guys get together before season and have a round table discussion on the rules of the club and respecting each others hunting etc ? Sounds like he was being very rude in his going pass you in such a matter as to be first at that stop.. But that's what you deal with in some people who have no respect for others.
When you talk with the guy he never comes off as a butt. He spouts all the things that you'd like to hear but he just does as he pleases in the woods. Sadly, he is a Deacon in his church and always acts all pious. I think he and the boy hunted over bait in a piece of VA property that adjoins our hunting land. In discussions he says he is up and up but I don't believe him.
You know some people can be the nicest folks you would want to know till they get in the woods. They have a personality change. My advice is avoid them, do not hunt with them. And above all do not argue. Move on. Might cost you a spot but you will be safer and have peace of mind.
Prune that branch off the tree.
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Catch him by himself and give him a tune up. Some people cant be reasoned with and need to be taught at a higher level. Good ole man to man talk and there wont be anymore confusion.
Thank to all. I wouldn't have done what he did but I thought that was just my way of thinking. Thanks again.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on April 19, 2020, 09:04:23 PM
Catch him by himself and give him a tune up. Some people cant be reasoned with and need to be taught at a higher level. Good ole man to man talk and there wont be anymore confusion.
X2 good old attitude adjustment.
All you have to do is treat others how you want to be treated. I'd say that most people i come across in the turkey woods are respectful. They will ask me where I am going, and I will tell them and they will give me room. I do the same. Normally we have good talks and I've met some good people that way. Every now and then you get a guy respond like I did recently... I was at "the spot" at 4am. When I left, this guy's truck was there at the gate. In the position he was parked, I could tell he was third to arrive. Really, there was only room for about two parties at this area, but you can squeeze in another if you are respectful, but it will be tight. Fast forward to the next weekend. This guy that was third, had beat me to the spot today. Knowing that there was room for two people, I asked where they were headed. If they were going the other way, I was gonna go to my spot in the opposite direction. If he was going to where I wanted to go, I was going to go to my Plan B in another area. How did he respond? "In the woods." It was an answer that basically told me "take a hike, theres only room for me here," after seeing him squeeze in here the weekend before. I respectfully answered in a way which made him tell me if he was going left or right, and he answered, but it was short. He was going where I wanted to go, so I went to the next gate. At this gate, there was another guy already there. We said good morning, had a good 20 min conversation, and get this: he gave me the first choice in where I was gonna go, even though he was there first. 2 completely opposite interactions on the same morning.
When it comes to internet keyboard cowboys, the same ones who say that they would throw down with a boy passing them on the 4wheeler would be the same ones in their 40hp mudboat passing the guy in the kayak to beat him to the duck hole.
sounds like yal need a map and a sign in book/board. No reason to hunt on top of each other, you can get hurt just as easily on private as you can public.
Hunting clubs are not what I am familiar with, but common courtesy is . I always honor another hunter if he beats me to a public spot. It seems hard to say something, but it really isn't. Right is right. We all should hold ourselves as well as others to a common standard. Different situations do occur, but bottom line is the Golden Rule. I am pretty outspoken but I am also understanding. I would have called him out right there. Just me, but I agree with many others here that if we allow these people to teach our future generations in this way, we wont have anything to complain about when it gets taken away. Just my 2 cents, Al Baker
I would tell him what he did is opposite what good people do and tell his son his father is not the role model he deserves. Then I would go to other places I had scouted. Its not worth a fight, don't let it ruin your day. If it is a club bring this up with members of the club and if this the type of action they would condone. If no action is taken I would find another club. The Golden Rule, even if you we're wronged should still be followed, two wrongs do not make anything right. My :z-twocents: worth. :angel9:
Just an FYI, baiting deer is NOT illegal on private land in WV (see below). Im not real familiar with WV, some of the places below may have private land included? As far as your problem, ive got a couple guys in my club that are the same way. Not sure what can really be done about it. I look at my club like public land, gotta get there first. I do let the people in my club (20 of us on 3,000 plus acres) know where i am going but i still make sure i am there first.
WV Dnr Website:
http://www.wvdnr.gov/Regulations/hunting_hrDeergr.shtm
"Baiting and Feeding Regulations
It is illegal to bait or feed any wildlife on public land between September 1 and December 31 and during the spring gobbler seasons. It is also illegal to bait or feed at any time on Beech Fork Lake, Bluestone Lake, Burnsville Lake and McClintic WMAs and on Coopers Rock and Calvin Price State Forests (see pages 27, 29 and 31)."
Quote from: bornagain64 on April 19, 2020, 06:52:42 PM
I feel the same as you.
I would have taken the time to talk to the guy that got to the spot 1st.
It is just common curtesy: I know some will chime in and say it is " public land" people can go and gunt where they want. I disagree totally!
And he is teaching his son to do the same thing. Sad, very sad.
:agreed:
Get a pin in board and problem is solved. Create zones, have a sign in sheet and set it as first come, first serve. That will take care of any issues you may have and the rule will be black and white.
Quote from: BB30 on April 21, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
Get a pin in board and problem is solved. Create zones, have a sign in sheet and set it as first come, first serve. That will take care of any issues you may have and the rule will be black and white.
You would think, however we have something very similar on our lease, however, there is always that guy that tries to work around the rules. You almost need a lawyer to write them just because of one or two. We have a peg board with the club stands, but you can also put up your stands. Rules say no stands within x of club stands, and there are still guys that put them just off the food plots for the club stands because they are x yards from the actual stand. Common sense and courtesy go along way, unfortunately there are always one or two.
Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 06:47:05 PM
The other morning I parked my truck about 80yds short of a gate which blocks the road which continues on for about a mile. I was within 40 yds of the gate and I hear an atv coming behind me. I knew the guy and his young son so I stepped off the edge and expected them to stop. Instead they zoomed on by to the gate. When I got to the gate they had bugged out. I walked maybe another 60 yds and turned off into an old road and there they stood. My feeling is that they should have stopped and asked where I was headed instead of blasting by and running to where I am sure they knew I was headed. If it was the other way around I would have asked where they were headed and gone in a different direction. Curious as to how you guys would feel.
Not to excuse what appears to be disrespectful behavior on their part, but here are some obvious questions first: Why did you park 80 yards back from the gate rather than at the gate? Was there a functional reason for doing that and do you think they might have interpreted that to mean you were hunting somewhere other than where they were going? Secondly, are you absolutely certain they saw you when you stepped out of the way to let them pass?
Now, assuming you checked all of those boxes, these are my thoughts on the matter. I am the type that would not make a fuss over the incident at the time but would call/request a meeting of the club members and hash out the rules,...and the penalties for violating them. Quite honestly, on a club that has been in existence as long as your apparently has, there is absolutely no excuse for not having a better set of rules for club members to abide by and some sort of committee established to address grievances such as what you experienced. Sounds to me like a meeting of the club members may be long overdue in your case.
Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
dgobble, This club is mostly family and friends of 20 guys and has been going since 1972. One family has to be the boss as you know families are. WV allowed baiting until a couple years ago but recently stopped it. Still it is widely known that people of the state still do it. It is hard enforcing rules with families and when members won't call an individual out for multiple reasons. As I said, I have had it with him and he may see himself in me this year.
Was there a ban on baiting across the entire state that I'm not aware of? I know they've done away with it in the eastern panhandle but don't recall baiting being illegal statewide. Where's the club located?
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wvmntnhick, We are in the EP (Jefferson Co.) East of the Shenandoah River bordered by Loudoun and Clarke Counties in VA. Seems to me that no baiting in our area has been in place for some time now and don't know if it is statewide. Baiting still continues on private land all around us. The owner forbids baiting on our land but it still gets done as there is no monitoring by anyone. Remember the line...you ain't breaking the rules or laws until you get caught. This is the attitude.
Quote from: rifleman on April 19, 2020, 08:58:41 PM
When you talk with the guy he never comes off as a butt. He spouts all the things that you'd like to hear but he just does as he pleases in the woods. Sadly, he is a Deacon in his church and always acts all pious. I think he and the boy hunted over bait in a piece of VA property that adjoins our hunting land. In discussions he says he is up and up but I don't believe him.
Holier than thou jerks are the worst! What a self-centered jackwagon. Treating fellow hunters with common courtesy and respect seems to be the starting point for the vast majority of hunters, but this guy sounds obnoxious. I'd take him aside and explain your frustrations. He needs to be called out on the carpet a bit. And his son is learning all of these behaviors too.
Quote from: rifleman on April 23, 2020, 03:37:34 PM
wvmntnhick, We are in the EP (Jefferson Co.) East of the Shenandoah River bordered by Loudoun and Clarke Counties in VA. Seems to me that no baiting in our area has been in place for some time now and don't know if it is statewide. Baiting still continues on private land all around us. The owner forbids baiting on our land but it still gets done as there is no monitoring by anyone. Remember the line...you ain't breaking the rules or laws until you get caught. This is the attitude.
You've got my ear now. I live in Berkeley and hunt Jefferson a lot. There are guys that bait all around me too. I tried it once but found it fruitless personally. Too many ag fields around. Hard to draw deer out of 300 acres of corn or beans with more corn.
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WVmntnhick, Baiting worked well in the hardwoods and was done by most all including myself. I know of guys that continue to bait and have attractants esp. for bears. Farm deer I would think are hard to bait.