I have been shooting HTL shells for quite awhile and i am getting ready to start shooting my lead slinger Rem 870 with a Kicks .655. I have Winchester (Black Box ) HV 1 3/4 5's and 6's and also Winchester (Grey Box) 1 7/8 5's and 6's. What are some good numbers you guys are turning out there at 35 or 40yds?? This way i have something to compare to and will not try to squeeze something out of a gun thats not possible. I use this gun guiding and most of the turkeys i shoot are inside 40yds so i guess for nostagic purposes and the fact that i have allot of lead shells in the cabinet i am going to the lead slinger. :fud:
You should see anything from 120s -140s and once it is 120 and pretty well covered you are golden. I am not going to start throwing out ridiculously high numbers and we shouldn't get that caught up in overkill at 40 yards.
My bet is on the Win HV 1 3/4 #6s at 40 in the 655.
The 3-2-5 red supper x gave us 200 in a 10 at 30. The shell will work good in 650 to 660. It will be a 40 yard gun. :anim_25:
Quote from: SumToy on May 12, 2011, 09:14:55 PM
The 3-2-5 red supper x gave us 200 in a 10 at 30. The shell will work good in 650 to 660. It will be a 40 yard gun. :anim_25:
That is amazing numbers with 5's. Are those Federal shells or Winchester??
Winchester they are the next step above the one you talk about. I have saw the ones you talk about put big numbers up also. I just dont remember. I will look back and see what I have. This is the shell you talking about with a 650 I think. I will look back to see.
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Thanks for checking it out.
This is the double x black box red shell. 3-2-5. If you going to shoot lead try this one. in 5's or 6's
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Quote from: SumToy on May 12, 2011, 09:14:55 PM
The 3-2-5 red supper x gave us 200 in a 10 at 30. The shell will work good in 650 to 660. It will be a 40 yard gun. :anim_25:
those are some of the best lead shells out there
But he didn't mention having the 3-2-x loads . Let's see.
The 3-2-6 was better in a 665 for :anim_25:me.
Yeah im hoping to get by with the lead ammo that i have and not buy anymore. I have allot of lead in 1 7/8 6's, 1 7/8 5's, 1 3/4 6's, 1 3/4 5's. Would have to order 3-2-x shells as they dont sell those around here. Prefer to shoot 6's, there have always been allot less gaps in the pattern.
I have all the assortment the original poster has, but add in #4's in both.
Dawei is right about #4's shooting better in some guns, my Model 12 shoots within 10 pellets on target with 4, 5, or 6 shot.
Just try what you have, you will kill turkeys to 35 easy with most any shell. For numbers, in my Model 12 30" Full and 2 3/4"-1 1/2-6 I average 110 at 38 yards taped in a 10" circle. With my 1300 22" NWTF with .665, I average about 122-125 with 3-1 3/4-6 at a taped 40 yards. I switched to Hevi this year in the 1300 and only went up to about 180 in a 10".
Good luck,
Daman
QuoteYou should see anything from 120s -140s
This is not a given. If you do this, you have done very well.
I did some last year with the 6's. We never did get 150 like we was going for. Now it was in the 120's the lowest. I think you should see that easy. Now it will take a smaller choke to get that.
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on May 13, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
QuoteYou should see anything from 120s -140s
This is not a given. If you do this, you have done very well.
He asked about 35 and 40 yard patterns. If I get a 35 yard shot with that combo and don't get between 120-140 I will be shocked.
125+ is easily doable at 35 Yards with 2 Ounces of Lead#6's.
40 Yards is much more challenging. Your gun has to really like the choke and shell combo being used. 125 is not a given at 40.
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on May 14, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
125+ is easily doable at 35 Yards with 2 Ounces of Lead#6's.
40 Yards is much more challenging. Your gun has to really like the choke and shell combo being used. 125 is not a given at 40.
Nothing is a given at some point. One of the first NWTF shoots that some guy named Steve Conover won was using Winchester HV #6 lead shot at 40 yards using a 650 choke I believe. With a choke from 645 -655 one of the best lead loads out there is the Win 3-1 3/4-#6 load. If I get my heart back soon I'll send you some actual prints of patterns using that combo at 35 yards. The other shell that loves being given the big squeeze is the old white in 3-1 3/4-#6 Hevi. 645-655 on avg.
BTW he only asked for numbers. I gave him some and he can do as he wishes. At whatever point he gets 120 he knows its limitations. My #s were for #6 as well.
Testing Rem 870 Kicks .655 and Hastings .665: 21in barrel, polished, forcing cone etc.
Kicks .655: Winchester HV 1 3/4 6's 77 in a 10in circle @ 40yds
Winchester 1 7/8 6's 70 in a 10in circle @ 40yds
Winchester 1 3/4 5's and 1/7/8 5's much less
Winchester Extended Range 6's 105 in a 10in circle @ 40yds
Hastings .665 Fed HW 7's 200 in a 10in circle @ 40yds
Hevi 13 7's 210 in a 10in circle @ 40yds
Win XR 6's 140 in a 10in cirle @ 40yds
Quote from: SumToy on May 12, 2011, 09:38:45 PM
This is the double x black box red shell. 3-2-5. If you going to shoot lead try this one. in 5's or 6's
Just located some win 3/2/6's. Gonna run them through my .665 and .655 at 30, 35 and 40yds.
Try your HVs in th e665 as well. It sounded like that was too tight in the 655 in that gun.
With the right choke, 90-116 is doable at 40 yards with 3" Win Sup HV #5.
For me, that choke is an Indian Creek .665 in an 870.
A 35 Yard Hammer, with a little extra range. Even the 50 Yard patterns are still half-way decent, in case you misjudge the distance really bad.
Good Luck.
Those are amazing numbers with 5's. Havent been able to come close to that with 5's out of a .665 or a .655. Best I got out of 6's @ 40 was 97.
With my 28" Barrel 3" 870, Indian Creek .665 choke, and Win Sup HV 1.75 Ounce #5's, the Best I have seen was 116 at 40, and the Worst I have seen was 90 at 35.
I really like that shell.
I also got 143 at 35 with a PMC 3-2-6 Lead shell.
For numbers, I like the Indian Creek .665
Rem 870 Kicks .655 Win XX 3/2/6 21in barrel polished/ polished forcing cone.
All of the pellets except 24 in a 10" circle @ 20 (410-415 if shot weight is correct)
254 in a 10" circle @ 30
154 in a 10" circle @ 35
97 in a 10" circle @ 40
*As good as i can get with the Rem 870 3"
*Shoot 35 and less and if i misjudge a bit i will still be in good shape.
*Used to have a Tasco Pro-point on the this gun..may put it back on as tight as this combo shoots inside 20yds.
*Thanks for the tip Sumtoy on the XX 3/2/6's. Havent tried the XX 3/2/5's.
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