Looking to buy my 6 year old a reliable but not expensive Turkey gun. He wants it camo lol wjays your suggestions? I think a 20 gauge would just be too much for him right now so I assume a 410?
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Moss berg makes a fantastic 410 pump, comes in camo. Great for new hunter. I tought hunter Ed for over 20 years. Pumps are a great starter gun for youths. TSS #9 will take care of business with a 410. Pay attention to state regulations, as some states do not allow 410's, and shot smaller than #7. Be safe, good luck.
I would say it would depend more on the size and build of your child as well as their personality. Some kids are scared to death of recoil and need to be slowly worked into it and some are just fine with it. I know that by age 8 all of my children as well as the kids that hang out at my house are at least shooting .22's and .410's. By eleven or so they don't bat an eye at .223's and .243's as well as a 20 gauge. I think getting them shooting early is key as well as not throwing any surprises at them.
Start them early. Build them up to it.
You will not want to work on getting a kid back on track after they have been exposed to too much, as a guy i know did with his kid.
Taking a more experienced and slightly older kid along with the new shooter can help.
Right, well he is 6, maybe 60 pounds soaking wet lol not too big but is dying to go with me he. Took him and his bb gun last year but really want him to be able to shoot this year.
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Quote from: Tom007 on March 07, 2020, 06:50:44 AM
Moss berg makes a fantastic 410 pump, comes in camo. Great for new hunter. I tought hunter Ed for over 20 years. Pumps are a great starter gun for youths. TSS #9 will take care of business with a 410. Pay attention to state regulations, as some states do not allow 410's, and shot smaller than #7. Be safe, good luck.
I don't want to detract what you're saying, a 410 w TSS might be a viable option in this one particular case BUT a 410 is absolutely not a great starter gun. You either miss or rat hole em often. It can be demoralizing to a kid. A stationary target, say a 15 yard turkey head or a soda can yes. Just be clear there is a giant difference.
Now as I always post, the best gauge very often for a kid is a 28. They sell turkey chokes for em but no specific turkey guns that I know of.
A small child needs some forgiveness. A 28 gives you some, a 410 does not. It's 1/2 small and often choked to keep the minimal pellets together.
A 28 is vastly superior when it comes to wing shooting. A 410 an experts gun.
The op needs to decide a few things. One how physically strong is the child? If strong enough a semi could work, it's heavier.
If on the weaker side perhaps a pump. Easier to swing n carry. Now we need to address recoil. How sensitive is the kid? If you don't know don't test him. Start e a 22. Use inner and outer hearing protection. Less noise makes "felt recoil" seem less.
Once that's mastered, a light target load w shotgun would be recommended. Go at the kids pace, don't push em.
Once that's done the op needs to pattern/sight in gun ALONE. Do not allow that young kid to shoot anything but a light load. Give him his turkey loads opening morn. He'll never know.
Remember felt recoil is affected by Shell, payload, action, weight of gun, stance, drop in stock and noise can add or detract to sensation. Only the op can answer these questions but if you tell us more perhaps we can add more advice.
Anyone that answers this particular gun worked for my son surely doesn't know your son and if it'll work best.
Stay away from a 410 imo unless it's only gonna be a turkey specific gun. We get one chance at hooking em. Don't scare or frustrate them away
Yep best to go .410. Get a good tripod if you don't have one already.
Weight in a gun will be the best bet so auto would be best, pump or double next singleshot last.
Go TSS for him. Nice thing about now is you can get an auto or pump 410 , put a red dot on it for him and it will be good for a long time. Dad can use it too.
My youngest was a small fella too, .410 to start and at 8 years he shot an 870 youth 21" with a red dot, Hevi 6's 3 inch. Used to put my arm behind him to catch him as it would step him back one or two. Would have been nice to keep him in 410 TSS but that was a few years back. He never complained about the 20 though.
Good recoil pad helps.
Be prepared .When he's gonna shoot you may get more riled up then him!
Yes he ain't the biggest kid, maybe 60 pounds, hes in kindergarten and all he has ever shot is his bb gun. So never experienced recoil. He doesn't do really well with pain lol but all he talks about is getting a Turkey with me. Hes super excited and wanted to shoot last year but knewt a gun would knock him down lol. Still iffy on even letting him shoot the 410 honestly. Like yall said, I dont want to scare him away from it
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Quote from: ThunderChickenHunter21 on March 07, 2020, 10:56:40 AM
Yes he ain't the biggest kid, maybe 60 pounds, hes in kindergarten and all he has ever shot is his bb gun. So never experienced recoil. He doesn't do really well with pain lol but all he talks about is getting a Turkey with me. Hes super excited and wanted to shoot last year but knewt a gun would knock him down lol. Still iffy on even letting him shoot the 410 honestly. Like yall said, I dont want to scare him away from it
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With you on that. I wouldn't think the .410 , in the auto especially will be a problem.
Do you have anything else he can shoot? Rifle wise for noise and recoil.
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Quote from: ThunderChickenHunter21 on March 07, 2020, 10:56:40 AM
Yes he ain't the biggest kid, maybe 60 pounds, hes in kindergarten and all he has ever shot is his bb gun. So never experienced recoil. He doesn't do really well with pain lol but all he talks about is getting a Turkey with me. Hes super excited and wanted to shoot last year but knewt a gun would knock him down lol. Still iffy on even letting him shoot the 410 honestly. Like yall said, I dont want to scare him away from it
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With you on that. I wouldn't think the .410 , in the auto especially will be a problem.
Do you have anything else he can shoot? Rifle wise for noise and recoil.
Not anything he could shoot, so you think no on the single shot 410?
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Like was said depends on the kid. He might and should be fine 2 1/2" loads to get used to shooting.
Sounds like he is exited to go so that will help
Tss load turkey time.
As far as the gun , depends on the weight , recoil pad , most single shots have neither.
If worried about recoil the single shot is the worst choice.
Which one you thinking about?
I'd go with the 20g.youth 870 or Mossbergs youth 20g.
I think it all depends on if he has been familiarize with shooting at all.
Worse case a single shot.410 and call em up close
Some kids pick up on it real quick also and some don't.
I set up targets in the back yard for my son to shoot with a B.B. gun most of the year.
I think a Burris FF2/or 3 is a great aid for kids along with shooting sticks or some type of rest.
Good luck. A child learns alot out there whether they get one or they dont. Trust me my son and i have had many highs and also some lows with this year being his last youth season and his first when he was 6.
First lesson he learned was no I'm not carrying you.. ;D :icon_thumright:
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on March 07, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
I'd go with the 20g.youth 870 or Mossbergs youth 20g.
I think it all depends on if he has been familiarize with shooting at all.
Some kids pick up on it real quick also and some don't.
I set up targets in the back yard for my son to shoot with a B.B. gun most of the year.
I think a Burris FF2/or 3 is a great aid for kids along with shooting sticks or some type of rest.
Good luck. A child learns alot out there whether they get one or they dont. Trust me my son and i have had many highs and also some lows with this year being his last youth season and his first when he was 6.
First lesson he learned was no I'm not carrying you.. ;D :icon_thumright:
Lol mine had a hard time with that last year! Thanks everyone for bv the input. Found a youth 870 20 to let him shoot as well as the 410 so maybe we can come up with a solution
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Best of luck to you and the little guy.... :turkey2:
Good deal that gives you some options.
Been 16 years since my youngest got his first turkey, somethings you won't forget.
So thanks to you and all the new Dads for bringing this subject up and helping us old guys remember these times once again.
Good luck and post up them pics of his first big turkey kill
Quote from: owlhoot on March 07, 2020, 12:52:33 PM
Good deal that gives you some options.
Been 16 years since my youngest got his first turkey, somethings you won't forget.
So thanks to you and all the new Dads for bringing this subject up and helping us old guys remember these times once again.
Good luck and post up them pics of his first big turkey kill
Gotta keep it going in my opinion. More memories I can make with my two boys the more I'm going to try my hardest to do. You always hear dont miss them growing up. I try my hardest not to but man it's still flying by
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It does fly by. Good luck and remember don't push or scare him.
I set up an old single shot 410 for my 9 year old daughter a couple of years back. I put a Limb Saver recoil pad and a Burris FF3 on it. Patterned it with 7/8 oz of 9 1/2 shot TSS. I believe the gun weighs in at 5 1/2 lbs. We practiced dry firing with snap caps off a tripod from inside a blind at a jake decoy. The gun patterned 180 inside a 10 inch circle at 40 yards. She's killed several with it. Recoil is very minimal. I've killed my last few birds with the same gun.
Quote from: Zilla on March 07, 2020, 02:42:10 PM
I set up an old single shot 410 for my 9 year old daughter a couple of years back. I put a Limb Saver recoil pad and a Burris FF3 on it. Patterned it with 7/8 oz of 9 1/2 shot TSS. I believe the gun weighs in at 5 1/2 lbs. We practiced dry firing with snap caps off a tripod from inside a blind at a jake decoy. The gun patterned 180 inside a 10 inch circle at 40 yards. She's killed several with it. Recoil is very minimal. I've killed my last few birds with the same gun.
Wow that's perfect. Sounds like what he needs and then my 3 year old could grow into it
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I let my grandson practice aiming and squezen the trigger with a snap cap all winter and pellet gun shooting at turkey head target. First shot with 410 was at the gobbler he shot last spring worked perfect. Had the gun on a shooting stick I held fore end and my thumb on back of recoil pad to take some of the kick for him. Goodluck
Started my 6 yr old 50 lb grandson with a h&r 410 single shot, sent the barrel to Sumtoy for a choke, mounted a red dot and put an ati collapsible stock on it. He's hammered 2 gobblers so far with apex 9 shot. Now Stevens has a 410 single shot ready to go. Start him with 2 3/4 loads and slip in the apex for hunting.
My son shot his first turkey at 6. I had him use my 20 guage 870, loading only 1 shell when getting ready to shoot. We practiced positioning the gun on shooting sticks in a seated position (we hunted out of a ground blind and he doesn't have to work as hard holding the gun on target this way) and practiced picking out where to aim on pictures of turkeys. Then I had him shoot light trap loads at targets from 10-30 yards using the same chair and shooting sticks. He was comfortable with that, and the recoil never bothered him. I didn't mention anything about it when I loaded the turkey load while hunting, but he had so much adrenaline he never noticed the extra recoil. (It was 3" golden pheasant load, not terrible) I asked him about it after, he hadn't noticed the difference.
Had he shown a problem with any step up until the hunt I would have changed plans or held off another year. He shot his second bird at 7 and is ready to go for his 3rd in a few weeks! Good luck, whatever you go with!
I was wondering the same thing and just saw your thread. Take a look at this tristar viper g2 youth 410. Interchangeable chokes, dovetail on top to mount optics, light weight with the minimal recoil of a semiauto. I think this gun with tss would be an awesome set up.
https://www.tristararms.com/series/youth/viper-g2-youth/#viper-g2-camo-youth-yth-ad-timber
For a 10 year old a single shot .410 is the way to go
One thing to add as far as using the 20 gauge.
Choice of loads, the hevi-shot 7's with 1 1/4 oz. apparently kick quite a bit less than Federal Hw 7's.
This was kid tested, 10 year old approved.
Quote from: owlhoot on March 13, 2020, 10:40:36 PM
One thing to add as far as using the 20 gauge.
Choice of loads, the hevi-shot 7's with 1 1/4 oz. apparently kick quite a bit less than Federal Hw 7's.
This was kid tested, 10 year old approved.
What about 6 year old approved? Lol
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I would use a trap load of #6's. Your going to probably want them in close anyway.
Ok thanks for the reply everyone. Letting him shoot today so we'll see how it goes
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Quote from: ThunderChickenHunter21 on March 14, 2020, 12:57:55 AM
Quote from: owlhoot on March 13, 2020, 10:40:36 PM
One thing to add as far as using the 20 gauge.
Choice of loads, the hevi-shot 7's with 1 1/4 oz. apparently kick quite a bit less than Federal Hw 7's.
This was kid tested, 10 year old approved.
What about 6 year old approved? Lol
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Well i don't know about that . That's why there is the .410 and now with TSS there is not a good reason not to use it. If you use a 20 , well depends of the kid , load light loads for practice and turkey load for hunt. They get hurt in either case the road ahead maybe tough.
Big difference in kids now , you got the rough and tumble football, soccer, baseball , bike tumbling kids and then the video game stay in the house type.
The 10 year old is a scrawny girl , but can hold her own on the farm and playground i was told. LOL
Well find out today, bet he will do great.