Title: TSS observation
Post by: Borden811 on May 12, 2019, 07:48:34 PM
Post by: Borden811 on May 12, 2019, 07:48:34 PM
I've killed 5 or so birds with tss now, 3 under 20, and a couple between 30 and 40. Got a few of those kills on film, and noticed that with the tss, the kills seem less dramatic. What I mean by that is, there's no "head slap" like I usually see with lead, or even hevi 13. Other kills with those two loads would "jerk" the head almost out of view or flip a bird over when the pellets hit. I've noticed with the tss the birds just crumple, even when hit at close range. Possibly because the pellets are so small, and so hard, they just crush the bones and zip right through, without much "energy deposit"? Just a casual observation, and there's probably nothing to it, and I'm definitely not complaining. I love my tss. Just wondering if you all had noticed the same thing.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 07:52:45 PM
Mine have been clean pass through . They just dropped. But like you said , shot is very dense so its breaking/ shattering the neck bones and cancel Christmas.
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: 7shooter on May 12, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
Post by: 7shooter on May 12, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
My first year hunting with them. I personally have been more impressed with HW 7's. The birds I have shot and seen shot sure have flopped a lot. The HW 7's made their heads balloon or swell up and I haven't seen that with the TSS 9's.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 09:33:07 PM
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 09:33:07 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VRKLDJNkRmBWJm7E8
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: owlhoot on May 12, 2019, 10:31:55 PM
Post by: owlhoot on May 12, 2019, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: 7shooter on May 12, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
My first year hunting with them. I personally have been more impressed with HW 7's. The birds I have shot and seen shot sure have flopped a lot. The HW 7's made their heads balloon or swell up and I haven't seen that with the TSS 9's.
This right here. hw 7's always seemed more impressive, 9 tss is a lot lighter and smaller per pellet but you have pattern density for sure. The close range stuff was surprising for us too. All the birds are dead though.
Hw7's are dense and broke bones for us.
Maybe 8's would be one way to go if someone wanted to.
If someone had a good supply of hw7's I personally would not worry about Tss 9's. Probably be happy about saving the 2-3 bucks a shot and carry on.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 10:58:39 PM
Post by: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 10:58:39 PM
Hw 7s are 15cc and TSS 9s are 18cc per shot
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: owlhoot on May 12, 2019, 11:08:39 PM
Post by: owlhoot on May 12, 2019, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: USMC0331 on May 12, 2019, 10:58:39 PMyes . A number 9 tss is a lot lighter than a Hw7 . Per individual pellet weight.
Hw 7s are 15cc and TSS 9s are 18cc per shot
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hw7's 15g/cc pellet count 219 per ounce. Tss 9's 18g/cc pellet count 362 per ounce.
Hw8's would be 301 pellets per ounce. And lead 7 1/2's are 350 pellet per ounce.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: dirt road ninja on May 13, 2019, 05:57:48 AM
Post by: dirt road ninja on May 13, 2019, 05:57:48 AM
The Federals in my opinion were always too big. Those should have been 8's.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: BandedSpur on May 13, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
Post by: BandedSpur on May 13, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on May 13, 2019, 05:57:48 AM
The Federals in my opinion where always too big. Those should have been 8's.
Agreed
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: howl on May 13, 2019, 07:46:18 AM
Post by: howl on May 13, 2019, 07:46:18 AM
Can't blame the pellet for pulling your shot and catching them with the edge of the pattern...
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Greg Massey on May 13, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
Post by: Greg Massey on May 13, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
Apex SmallTown loads are the way to go.....
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: 7shooter on May 13, 2019, 08:55:17 AM
Post by: 7shooter on May 13, 2019, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: howl on May 13, 2019, 07:46:18 AMlol. Yep, every shot was pulled. Not saying anything bad about the TSS loads just haven't been overly impressed with them thus far
Can't blame the pellet for pulling your shot and catching them with the edge of the pattern...
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: 7shooter on May 13, 2019, 09:02:02 AM
Post by: 7shooter on May 13, 2019, 09:02:02 AM
Quote from: Greg Massey on May 13, 2019, 08:45:28 AMI'm going to order some
Apex SmallTown loads are the way to go.....
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: trkehunr93 on May 15, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
Post by: trkehunr93 on May 15, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
I've hunted turkeys for 26 years and the last gobbler I shot with TSS dropped in his tracks at 20-25 yards. First turkey I can honestly say never flopped once, twitched a little when I rolled him over to look at his beard but that was it. I shot a jake earlier in the season, my first with TSS, and the flopping he did ended very quickly. He was at about 10-15 yards. I've had a couple drop stone dead with hevi 13 7's but the flopping began once I picked them up. I can say TSS is some amazing stuff, I hope Federal doesn't mess with the formula they have in 3" 9's. I have some Apex 2 3/4" 8's for another gun thats chambered for 2 3/4" only but I haven't pulled the trigger on one yet with it, I hope to see the same results.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: dirt road ninja on May 15, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
Post by: dirt road ninja on May 15, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
I find the flopping very similar to everything else I've killed them with lead, HTL, TSS. Damage to the brain is damage to the brain, it really doesn't matter what causes it. Yes, I've had a few flop very little, but the only true no flops have been bow kills that bled out.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: mikejd on May 15, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
Post by: mikejd on May 15, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
I went back to lead 4's. 20bucks for a box of 10 and all my birds die to.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Post by: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Copper Plated Lead = Dead
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: USMC0331 on May 16, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Post by: USMC0331 on May 16, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: owlhoot on May 18, 2019, 06:41:28 PM
Post by: owlhoot on May 18, 2019, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Copper Plated Lead = Dead
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
HW7's Deaderest :thanks: :lol:
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: USMC0331 on May 18, 2019, 06:51:50 PM
Post by: USMC0331 on May 18, 2019, 06:51:50 PM
We can try TSS 7s to HW 7s but it would probably be a bit much for turkey. My son definitely likes the HW 7s in his Mossberg.
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Bowguy on May 18, 2019, 08:13:37 PM
Post by: Bowguy on May 18, 2019, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on May 13, 2019, 05:57:48 AMThe only prob w that is some states you can't use 8s in so from a marketing perspective they may have been best offering a couple sizes. All a mute point now though I guess.
The Federals in my opinion were always too big. Those should have been 8's.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 18, 2019, 09:25:28 PM
Post by: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 18, 2019, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on May 18, 2019, 06:41:28 PMSorry Heavyweight 7's are HTL so that makes them deaderQuote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Copper Plated Lead = Dead
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
HW7's Deaderest :thanks:
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: BINK McCARTY on May 19, 2019, 05:26:08 AM
Post by: BINK McCARTY on May 19, 2019, 05:26:08 AM
Flop or no flop....how dead is dead enough?
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: BINK McCARTY on May 19, 2019, 05:27:07 AM
Post by: BINK McCARTY on May 19, 2019, 05:27:07 AM
And for you guys shooting the HW 7s....what is your setup?
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: owlhoot on May 19, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Post by: owlhoot on May 19, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 18, 2019, 09:25:28 PMLOL HW is WWWwhtl= deaderest!Quote from: owlhoot on May 18, 2019, 06:41:28 PMSorry Heavyweight 7's are HTL so that makes them deaderQuote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Copper Plated Lead = Dead
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
HW7's Deaderest :thanks:
Lol Hw is wwwwhtl
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Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: owlhoot on May 19, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
Post by: owlhoot on May 19, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: BINK McCARTY on May 19, 2019, 05:27:07 AMWeatherby 26" .575 Carlsons
And for you guys shooting the HW 7s....what is your setup?
Remington 21" trulock , probably gonna change to TSS choke from them for it as soon as I can see how much of Hw7 I have left.
Savduck has some money setups in his guns posted recently on here.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Gobble! on May 22, 2019, 04:41:48 PM
Post by: Gobble! on May 22, 2019, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Greg Massey on May 13, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
Apex SmallTown loads are the way to go.....
If you dont load your own.
Title: Re: TSS observation
Post by: Gobble! on May 22, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
Post by: Gobble! on May 22, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on May 19, 2019, 10:32:35 AMQuote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 18, 2019, 09:25:28 PMLOL HW is WWWwhtl= deaderest!Quote from: owlhoot on May 18, 2019, 06:41:28 PMSorry Heavyweight 7's are HTL so that makes them deaderQuote from: Ozarks Hillbilly on May 16, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Copper Plated Lead = Dead
HTL = Deader
TTS = Deadest
HW7's Deaderest :thanks:
Lol Hw is wwwwhtl
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agreed. 15g/cc vs 12g/cc