Never thought I'd see 5 shells sell for 60 bucks! I just ordered 4 boxes of magblend for 88 bucks from Midway. Not matter what you shoot have fun and keep it close that's where the real thrill is :OGturkeyhead:
I'm right there with you. I don't understand the hype with TSS and the associated cost unless you are shooting a .410 or 20 gauge. Most turkeys are taken at 20-30 yards and IMO TSS 12 gauge is overkill. $12 a pop, WOW. Not my cup of tea but whatever floats your boat.
To be honest, I'm not paying that much for a shotgun shell! To me there trying to turn it into turkey sniping. Every turkey hunter I know, knows it's an up close affair, and that if he don't come closer than 75yds you let him walk. But I feel that we should all know our limitations, and accept them like adults. A good pattern that kills at reasonable distances is enough, now how much more do you need? I heard a phrase long ago, "it's 90% Indian, an 10% bow. I've worked with mechanics that have owned thousands in tools, and other techs that owned cheap pawnshop tools, and they could work circles around them! But i have no problem If a guy wants to spend that much on shells, it all comes down to what makes you happy.
TSS in 410 and 20 gauge is all I see the use for. In 12 gauge it is overkill but to each his own. None of my business what another man chooses to shoot. I just don't understand why in 12 gauge when Hevi13 or even regular "old" lead is plenty.
Quote from: Izzyjoe on February 27, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
To be honest, I'm not paying that much for a shotgun shell! To me there trying to turn it into turkey sniping. Every turkey hunter I know, knows it's an up close affair, and that if he don't come closer than 75yds you let him walk. But I feel that we should all know our limitations, and accept them like adults. A good pattern that kills at reasonable distances is enough, now how much more do you need? I heard a phrase long ago, "it's 90% Indian, an 10% bow. I've worked with mechanics that have owned thousands in tools, and other techs that owned cheap pawnshop tools, and they could work circles around them! But i have no problem If a guy wants to spend that much on shells, it all comes down to what makes you happy.
closer than 75 yards? thats about 35 yards too far for me.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 28, 2018, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: Izzyjoe on February 27, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
To be honest, I'm not paying that much for a shotgun shell! To me there trying to turn it into turkey sniping. Every turkey hunter I know, knows it's an up close affair, and that if he don't come closer than 75yds you let him walk. But I feel that we should all know our limitations, and accept them like adults. A good pattern that kills at reasonable distances is enough, now how much more do you need? I heard a phrase long ago, "it's 90% Indian, an 10% bow. I've worked with mechanics that have owned thousands in tools, and other techs that owned cheap pawnshop tools, and they could work circles around them! But i have no problem If a guy wants to spend that much on shells, it all comes down to what makes you happy.
closer than 75 yards? thats about 35 yards too far for me.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic towards the new breed of turkey snipers...
Re read post. was not sarcastic
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on February 28, 2018, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 28, 2018, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: Izzyjoe on February 27, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
To be honest, I'm not paying that much for a shotgun shell! To me there trying to turn it into turkey sniping. Every turkey hunter I know, knows it's an up close affair, and that if he don't come closer than 75yds you let him walk. But I feel that we should all know our limitations, and accept them like adults. A good pattern that kills at reasonable distances is enough, now how much more do you need? I heard a phrase long ago, "it's 90% Indian, an 10% bow. I've worked with mechanics that have owned thousands in tools, and other techs that owned cheap pawnshop tools, and they could work circles around them! But i have no problem If a guy wants to spend that much on shells, it all comes down to what makes you happy.
closer than 75 yards? thats about 35 yards too far for me.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic towards the new breed of turkey snipers...
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Coop, by opening up your pattern and with the enormous numbers of #9 or #10 shot in a 3 or 3 1/2" 12 gauge shell, how many feathers do you have to pick out of the breast of a bird? With the density and small size of TSS, it's going to blow right through the bird. Probably clean through, so there's going to be damaged meat and feathers imbedded as well with bigger patterns at closer ranges. No judgment, just saying.
Not necessarily going to blow right through a bird. I have cleaned several birds that I shot with TSS9 and when I pull the skin back pellets are visible all over. Can pick them out and shoot em again.
Quote from: Gumby on February 27, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
TSS in 410 and 20 gauge is all I see the use for. In 12 gauge it is overkill but to each his own. None of my business what another man chooses to shoot. I just don't understand why in 12 gauge when Hevi13 or even regular "old" lead is plenty.
Just curious..would you feel the same about a relatively light 12 ga load of TSS? Say, 1-5/8 oz or less. What if it offered reduced recoil yet outperformed Hevi or good ole lead? Probably still more expensive...
Sure was being sarcastic, don't take life to seriously, it ain't permanent now how!
Quote from: deadbuck on February 28, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Not necessarily going to blow right through a bird. I have cleaned several birds that I shot with TSS9 and when I pull the skin back pellets are visible all over. Can pick them out and shoot em again.
Another reason not to open up your patterns at close range. I sure don't want to have to pick shot out of the meat and I sure don't want to bite down on hard shot that I missed while cleaning, when I'm eating some succulent turkey breast. Keep your patterns tight, have no POA/POI issues and aim only at the head and neck.
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Just curious..would you feel the same about a relatively light 12 ga load of TSS? Say, 1-5/8 oz or less. What if it offered reduced recoil yet outperformed Hevi or good ole lead? Probably still more expensive...
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Spurs Up:
There is no doubt that TSS is a superior load. I am just saying that I personally can't justify the cost for 12ga as I don't feel the gained advantage is great enough to take on the added expense. That's just my opinion. I shoot TSS in 410 only. I understand wanting to have a dense pattern and every advantage possible so I'm not berating those who shoot it in 12ga. Every bird I have ever killed died just fine with Hevi13 or lead in 12ga loads.
I always think TSS is a great idea, and then I remember the price! 2 bucks a shot for Longbeards vs 10 bucks a pop for TSS? No brainer.
Quote from: compton30 on March 01, 2018, 04:59:23 AM
I always think TSS is a great idea, and then I remember the price! 2 bucks a shot for Longbeards vs 10 bucks a pop for TSS? No brainer.
Are these TSS better than Hevi-13 magnum Blend????
Like to know the price difference?
I just shoot longbeards. They will kill farther than i care to shoot.
Quote from: penna shooter on March 01, 2018, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: compton30 on March 01, 2018, 04:59:23 AM
I always think TSS is a great idea, and then I remember the price! 2 bucks a shot for Longbeards vs 10 bucks a pop for TSS? No brainer.
Are these TSS better than Hevi-13 magnum Blend????
Like to know the price difference?
I've never fired a round of TSS, because as previously noted, it's a 10 dollar bill flying out the end of the barrel with each squeeze of the trigger. That being said, I'd say the general consensus is that TSS is a superior product to Hevi-13. That's just from what I've read around here, anyway.
Always someone trying to ONE-UP the other....$10.00 bills flying out your barrel....So right. Priced more than fuel for your truck...
Quote from: penna shooter on March 02, 2018, 04:23:08 AM
Always someone trying to ONE-UP the other....$10.00 bills flying out your barrel....So right. Priced more than fuel for your truck...
Everyone throws around that $10 number a lot. Let's look at it.
Let me start with I'm not a smart man. I shoot a 2.5oz TSS load, not smart financially but I really like overkill. I can load this shell for $8.15. If I buy a box of 2.25oz Hevi13 Magnum Blends from Cabelas they cost $6.60 a shell, assumes nothing for shipping. My 2.5oz loads will put up giant numbers compared to that Hevi13 shell. I put 500 in a 10" circle at 40 yards. Most shooting the Magnum Blends are in the what 250s? For me the increased performance is worth the extra $1.55 per shell.
Now if I was a smart man I would load 1.625oz of TSS in a 20 gauge. This would cost me $5.48 per shell and will out pattern and out perform any non-TSS shell available for a 12 gauge. Better performance and saves me $1.12 per shell over the 2.25oz Magnum Blends. The 2oz Magnum Blends are $5.80 per shells.
I haven't shot it yet but I plan to shoot a 1.125oz load this Sunday. I'm certain for $3.87 per shell it will do all I need it to and more at 40 yards.
Quote from: Gobble! on March 02, 2018, 09:49:45 AM
Quote from: penna shooter on March 02, 2018, 04:23:08 AM
Always someone trying to ONE-UP the other....$10.00 bills flying out your barrel....So right. Priced more than fuel for your truck...
Everyone throws around that $10 number a lot. Let's look at it.
Let me start with I'm not a smart man. I shoot a 2.5oz TSS load, not smart financially but I really like overkill. I can load this shell for $8.15. If I buy a box of 2.25oz Hevi13 Magnum Blends from Cabelas they cost $6.60 a shell, assumes nothing for shipping. My 2.5oz loads will put up giant numbers compared to that Hevi13 shell. I put 500 in a 10" circle at 40 yards. Most shooting the Magnum Blends are in the what 250s? For me the increased performance is worth the extra $1.55 per shell.
Now if I was a smart man I would load 1.625oz of TSS in a 20 gauge. This would cost me $5.48 per shell and will out pattern and out perform any non-TSS shell available for a 12 gauge. Better performance and saves me $1.12 per shell over the 2.25oz Magnum Blends. The 2oz Magnum Blends are $5.80 per shells.
I haven't shot it yet but I plan to shoot a 1.125oz load this Sunday. I'm certain for $3.87 per shell it will do all I need it to and more at 40 yards.
I have been loading 1-5/8 ounce tss 9s for the last 4 or 5 years.They absolutely destroy gobblers. This year I upped the payload to 3" 1-7/8 ounces. Im not a smart man either lol.
Gobble, I understand where your coming from. But when talking about TSS, I believe we should talk Apples to Apples not Apples to Oranges. Most aren't setup to reload. They buy shells over the counter and $10 to $12 is the going rate for 12 gauge for TSS, Hevi-13 $5-$6 and around $2 for Longbeards (all will kill turkeys). Most of us will agree, turkey hunting is about getting birds in close (inside 40 yards). Interacting with them and hearing the spitting, drumming and gobbling at close range. Getting hens to commit to 3-5 yards and stare at you for 5 minutes, all the while trying to figure out what you are. 12 gauge TSS, allows for that, but also raises the bar greatly for range. For some, it will be a license to extend their range and make this a trophy sport, not an excitement sport. For 20 and .410 gun owners, TSS has leveled the playing field with 12 gauge loads. Personally I don't want TSS to turn the excitement of turkey hunting into turkey sniping. By the way, I bet a 1 1/4 oz 20 gauge load in TSS would be extremely devastating inside 40.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 02, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
Gobble, I understand where your coming from. But when talking about TSS, I believe we should talk Apples to Apples not Apples to Oranges. Most aren't setup to reload. They buy shells over the counter and $10 to $12 is the going rate for 12 gauge for TSS, Hevi-13 $5-$6 and around $2 for Longbeards (all will kill turkeys). Most of us will agree, turkey hunting is about getting birds in close (inside 40 yards). Interacting with them and hearing the spitting, drumming and gobbling at close range. Getting hens to commit to 3-5 yards and stare at you for 5 minutes, all the while trying to figure out what you are. 12 gauge TSS, allows for that, but also raises the bar greatly for range. For some, it will be a license to extend their range and make this a trophy sport, not an excitement sport. For 20 and .410 gun owners, TSS has leveled the playing field with 12 gauge loads. Personally I don't want TSS to turn the excitement of turkey hunting into turkey sniping. By the way, I bet a 1 1/4 oz 20 gauge load in TSS would be an extremely devastating inside 40.
Agree, I am talking specifically about loading my own. Just wanted to make it clear that when someone says they are shooting TSS it does not mean they are spending $10-$12 a shot. Based on the costs from Apex and Nitro it is even easier to justify loading your own.
If you want apples to apples with the current Federal rebates your looking a $8.00 a shell for their 2.25 oz load. That's still only $1.40 more than a Magnum Blend shell. Based on what I've seen so far with the Federal shells I still believe the 1.75oz load will out perform the Magnum Blends at only $6.00 a shell.
I would disagree that TSS is raising the bar GREATLY for range. Apex, Nitro, and Federal have all taken the high road and not advertised their shells for 75 yards as Hevi13 did or 66 yards as Winchester did with their Long Beards. I don't believe from a percentages stand point there will be a large increase in the amount of people shooting at birds at stupid distances.
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Everyone throws around that $10 number a lot. Let's look at it.
Let me start with I'm not a smart man. I shoot a 2.5oz TSS load, not smart financially but I really like overkill. I can load this shell for $8.15...
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You just might get your 12 ga/2.5 oz per shell cost down to $8.15 if you're hand loading a relatively simple recipe (without fillers), load a crap-tonne of shells, and discount or amortize your loading equipment and accessories over a long period of time. Maybe after a few hundred shells if you're lucky. As you sort of suggest, anybody that claims to hand load TSS to save $$$ (not pointing fingers) is fooling themselves. We do it for lots of different reasons other than cost savings...
Quote from: Spurs Up on March 02, 2018, 06:51:34 PM
You just might get your 12 ga/2.5 oz per shell cost down to $8.15 if you're hand loading a relatively simple recipe (without fillers), load a crap-tonne of shells, and discount or amortize your loading equipment and accessories over a long period of time. Maybe after a few hundred shells if you're lucky. As you sort of suggest, anybody that claims to hand load TSS to save $$$ (not pointing fingers) is fooling themselves. We do it for lots of different reasons other than cost savings...
I bought 5lbs of shot and got a good price, Hal's the man. It's a pretty simple recipe. No discount on loading ingredients. That number doesn't include any up front costs like a roll crimper or shell vice, just the stuff that goes into each shell. Trying to depreciate up front costs for loading tools would be confusing. I'll double check my spreadsheet formulas but pretty confident in the $8.15. Could probably say it's less than that if I counted using reclaimed shot from a shot trap. Only way someone could say they do it for a cost savings is if they are comparing it to buying new from Apex/Nitro. I think I could work up the justification pretty quick once I get in front of Excel. But I didn't get into this to save money that's for sure!