UPS man made my day! I'll be taking the SBEII out Sunday for a couple shots. Jellyhead .660 and Kicks .665
My guess is the .660 will perform better. We shall see. I'll report back.
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Going big with the 3.5
Quote from: RemingtonRules on February 23, 2018, 10:05:08 PM
Going big with the 3.5
All I could get my hands on. Couldn't find 3" anywhere.
Not real happy with the performance of these shells. At 40yds I'd be surprised if I had 100 in the 10" ring.
Out of my Benelli SBE2 12G 26" barrel I tried the jellyhead .660 and kick's .665 neither performed very well. What should I try next?
Did you shoot at a larger target like 4' x 4' to see what your larger pattern is like? What kind of sights are you using? Aside from POA/POI problem, might be too tight a constriction for that load. I've read where others have said to use a more open restriction for TSS, like .670-.700. That tight might be blowing the pattern. But someone with more knowledge than me can maybe shed some more light.
Nitro HVY shot
Quote from: Gobspur on February 25, 2018, 08:27:16 PM
Did you shoot at a larger target like 4' x 4' to see what your larger pattern is like? What kind of sights are you using? Aside from POA/POI problem, might be too tight a constriction for that load. I've read where others have said to use a more open restriction for TSS, like .670-.700. That tight might be blowing the pattern. But someone with more knowledge than me can maybe shed some more light.
I don't use sights, just the regular beads. Wasn't too much worried about POA/POI. At 25 yards the pattern was perfect. 400+ in the 10". But 40 yards the pattern was 20" or so with less than 100 in the 10".
Still safe to get you a large piece of painters paper and shoot at that and make sure your not just missing the center of your pattern if you didn't actually do that. If you did and it still was only 100 in a 10". your overchoked. You'd be surprised that the more you open a choke up with TSS (especially a 3.5"2.25oz load) the denser the pattern will get. TSS like an open choke.
I did shoot on a 4'x4'. The majority of the pellets were inside a 20" circle or so, but a lot of flyers well outside of that. After reading the Hornady thread, I picked up this little tidbit, "If I'm not mistaken they used the old federal flight control wad that hates a ported choke. If you do buy them try a standard non-ported modified or full and go from there." I'm wondering if this is the issue. Pretty sure they used the flight control wad in the TSS load.
New flight control wad .
Those in the know say with tss loads to open that choke up.
Of course Federal tss loads are new so that is yet to be seen .
Some of the tss experienced guys should be replying soon.
Good luck :morning:
You are OVERCHOKING the crap out of that shell. Try your factory flush full tube that came with the gun. Mine with only 2 oz of TSS9 gets 330+- in the 10 inch at 40.
I'll try the factory full choke in the next few days. I'm hoping it's just a choke issue. That would be wonderful if i could get away with running the factory full choke. Definitely shortens the gun up by another 2" or so. Less hanging up on limbs and whatnot trying to sneak through the woods! I'd be okay with that.
Yeah I would try the factory full first. But in my SBE2 my 3" handloads shoot 460 in the 10" with Indian Creek .665
You may have to open it up to .670 with that much payload...
As stated already shoot your factory full and go from there. And for what it's worth don't treat TSS like lead in the sense of chasing numbers. If your factory full puts up 350 in the 10" with a wall of even pellets in the 20, that is a money pattern. People get so caught up in the numbers game and trying to get 400+ pellets in a 10" that your defeating the purpose of TSS really. It offers you the ability to open a choke up and be really forgiving at 20 yards and in while still holding 300+ pellets in a 10" at 40.
Can you post picture? Unfortunately we are in the trial and error phase with the Federal TSS loads because no one has really had time to try then through multiple gun/choke combinations. One of the guys who tested these loads early on said the did great with Indian Creek chokes. TSS handloads have historically liked tight Indian Creek chokes.
Quote from: mahifishn on February 26, 2018, 06:10:26 AM
I did shoot on a 4'x4'. The majority of the pellets were inside a 20" circle or so, but a lot of flyers well outside of that.
You said the majority of the pellets were inside a 20" circle but only roughly 100 inside the 10" circle? There are 810 pellets in that load how do you define majority?
Like others already said, try the factory full, you might be surprised. I was getting blown patterns out of my .660 that shoots the old hvy wt 7 great. I'm more of a hunting pattern guy than a #'s guy but still managed 230 +
I'm gonna go ahead and order an IC .665 and shoot that and my full choke. I"ll take pictures this time. I think i may shoot from a lead sled. I don't want to develop a serious flinch. The recoil is no joke on those dang shells.
I am kind of new to this stuff (in fact very new) and am kind of confused.
I have some #7 Federal TSS inbound in the mail. I am going to be running a Benelli Super Vinci.
When you call Benelli they tell you not to go below their factory .704 modified choke. And they advised not shooting anything like TSS or Hevi shot through anything less than this.
But Indian Creek told me today that they run #9 TSS and Hevi-shot (of various sizes and the Magnum blend) through their .665 Black Diamond. I bought one based on this.
it is OK to run things like TSS or Hevi through a .665 choke on a Super Vinci from a safety standpoint, correct?
Apologies if this is a stupid question. The world of chokes and turkey loads is new to me.
You will be fine. I have run it thru IC chokes. That said 7 are a big pellet for turkeys using tss. I'd start with that 704 or the factory full. you are more likely to have trouble patterning with a tight choke. The exception in my experience is with the IC in a 20 gauge.
Thank you so much.
I am having a devil of a time finding #9 TSS. Where is it available?
What would you use the #7 for?
I assume that in your response you are saying Hevi-shot is also good to go through the IC .665 choke?
Thanks again for suffering my noobness.
Your gold with hevi and a 665. I hand load, my source is the same guy most use. There is nothing wrong with the 7's, but the take up more room in the shell, thus limiting numbers. I would say they would make an awesome long-range goose load. The reason federal is loading them is 9's aren't legal everwhere.
Thank you so much man!
Shooting a 870 I used a .665 Indian Creek for some of my 2.5oz hand loads and pattern was 550/260 but wasn't the most even. Used a .675 Indian Creek and get 500/300 patterns that are much more even.
Everyones still trying to figure out what these new Federal shells will like but a Indian Creek is probably a solid starting point. You could call Indian Creek and see what construction they recommend for the shell you are shooting. Their customer service is top shelf.
I would worry more about the flight control wad , I shoot fed 7 hw which has a flight control wad , my poi is not very consistent, and I need a very clean barrel, to get good patterns