I patterned my gun today for the first time and I'm glad I did bc it's shooting low and to the right quite a bit. I just use a fiber optic sight that hooks into the bead. The gun is almost new - probably been shot less than 100 times.
I was shooting at 40 yards and it was off probably a good 12". Need some help :-\
Williams Slugger sights or some kind of optics.
Quote from: Tom Foolery on April 10, 2011, 05:41:17 AM
Williams Slugger sights or some kind of optics.
I guess my question is why is it shooting off target that much? I'm sure I could put some optics on it and get it where it needs to be but I don't have the $$$ to spend this season on it. I'm banking on winning the Burris FF2 Bingo this week though :)
What would make it that much off? I just cleaned the barrel too.
The choke can change your POI considerably. You could try a different one.
Quote from: TalksToTurkeys on April 10, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
The choke can change your POI considerably. You could try a different one.
Really? I didn't know that!
It's a jellyhead .665 - I paid $50 for that thing!!
Not just the choke, but the loads as well. It is just part of turkey hunting for the vast majority of hunters that pattern their guns.
Also check the way you shoulder the gun. You can be low left or right depending on how the shotgun is against your shoulder. This is easier seen and corrected with a person watching you shoot and almost impossible to detect by the average shooter. Just my opinion. Good luck.
Mike
Every 870 I own shoot 6 inches low. I changed my poi by adding a cheek-ez pad to the comb. Works every time and I hit where I am aiming.
Look a the corner of your ceiling, make sure your gun is unloaded, focus on the spot and raise your gun like you are going to shoot it. I bet it will be low. Raise the comb and you will be dead on. Some guns like the Benelli and the Berettas come with shims you can replace to make the poi where you want it.
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Quote from: Beretta686 on April 11, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
Every 870 I own shoot 6 inches low. I changed my poi by adding a cheek-ez pad to the comb. Works every time and I hit where I am aiming.
Look a the corner of your ceiling, make sure your gun is unloaded, focus on the spot and raise your gun like you are going to shoot it. I bet it will be low. Raise the comb and you will be dead on. Some guns like the Benelli and the Berettas come with shims you can replace to make the poi where you want it.
Hmm So maybe it's something I'm doing. I did just put on the ShurShot stock and fore-end - do you think that has anything to do with it? I remember people talking about shimming, but I didn't really know what they meant. I will try your trick when I get home. Thanks!
Mossy I had no idea - I thought you just put the bead on whatever you were aiming at and that's where it went.
Something to try:
Put your shotgun on anything that will hold it stable even a pillow on the hood of your vehicle. As said above make sure it is unloaded (I leave the action open). Look down the barrel without putting the gun to your shoulder and take hold of the toe of our stock (lower portion of the recoil pad) and twist the stock right and left while watching the point of aim change. That is what happens to many in the field, not critical on short shots with say #8 shot but at forty yards it can change your day. That is why the advice above is good advice on the shims and a cheek pad. It is important to shoulder the gun square each time you are going to shoot.
Most of the time POI issues are from the choke job at the factory not being concentric with the bore. Chokes also have different POIs many times and various ammo often tends to shoot to different POIs. H13 is probably the worst I've seen as far as POI when compared to other loads such as various lead loads.
Quote from: Reloader on April 11, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Most of the time POI issues are from the choke job at the factory not being concentric with the bore. Chokes also have different POIs many times and various ammo often tends to shoot to different POIs. H13 is probably the worst I've seen as far as POI when compared to other loads such as various lead loads.
So what should I do if it's my choke? Call Primos and try to get it replaced?
I guess I could put an improved cylinder choke on and shoot a couple slugs through it to see if it's accurate that way.
No, you just need to get some sort of adjustable sight. This will get you dead on. If you like fiber optics then go with the Williams Slugger sites or the TruGlo Magnum Gobble Dot Pro.
If you like a scope then there are lots of tube style red dots that are great.
If you are open to an open red dot then the Mueller Quick Shot and the Burris FF II are awesome and easy to set up. The FOV with these is 100X that of a tube style and you don't have to align a front and rear sight. Dot -> Neck -> Bang -> Dead turkey.
Quote from: mossy835 on April 10, 2011, 05:18:14 PM
Also check the way you shoulder the gun. You can be low left or right depending on how the shotgun is against your shoulder. This is easier seen and corrected with a person watching you shoot and almost impossible to detect by the average shooter. Just my opinion. Good luck.
Mike
I agree just a little bit of a diff grip could be throwing you off.
Quote from: Shaw24 on April 13, 2011, 07:38:54 AM
Quote from: Reloader on April 11, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Most of the time POI issues are from the choke job at the factory not being concentric with the bore. Chokes also have different POIs many times and various ammo often tends to shoot to different POIs. H13 is probably the worst I've seen as far as POI when compared to other loads such as various lead loads.
So what should I do if it's my choke? Call Primos and try to get it replaced?
I guess I could put an improved cylinder choke on and shoot a couple slugs through it to see if it's accurate that way.
I meant the choke job on the bbl, not the choke itself. However, diff chokes usually shoot to diff POIs at times. I've taken 3 chokes and received 3 diff POIs in several guns. Swapping from JH to JH will probably give you similar POIs, although I have seen the same models give slightly diff POIs in the same gun.
You may get a diff POI with a diff brand choke, I'd just borrow one to see if it changes. With the amount you are talking, you are most likely going to need to go to adjustable sights as mentioned by others. You're only other option is to have the bbl bent slightly to correct the problem.
My most rescent example on choke POI differences was on an SX3. JH shot approx 8" low, PG shot approx 6-8" left, SD shot dead on with the bead.
If they bored the choke portion of the bbl terribly off center, it will most likely not be fixed by a swap in chokes.
Good Luck
Reloader
As previously mentioned, best bet would be to get some sort of adjustable sight, but here is another way to look at this. On a typical shotgun with a bead, your eye functions as the rear sight. Assuming you shoulder the gun consistently, low and right would indicate that your eye is low to the rib and to the right. Raising the comb and some padding to the inside of the butt will raise your eye and center it over the rib. You'll have to experiment a bit to figure out how much you need. You can make a ghetto pad with moleskin or tape to check this out in the field or there are several comb raising kits that aren't too expensive on the market. Good luck!
http://www.meadowindustries.com/gunstocks.html
http://www.cabelas.com/stocks-grips-accessories-beartooth-comb-raising-kit-1.shtml?type=product&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT.z_mc_id1=707110&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=76BAB7CC-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA
First of all let me say thanks to everyone who offered suggestions. I went out last night and did a little more shooting and my POI was much closer to where it needed to be. The only thing I can think of is that I was pulling the gun down and to the right a tiny bit right before I pulled the trigger. Not sure if I was bracing for the shot a little or what.
I'm still considering getting a red dot though and I really want the Burris FF2 but the wife won't let me spend that kinda money right now. Anyone heard anything good or bad about this one from TruGlo?
http://www.basspro.com/TRUGLO-Dual-Color-Open-RedDot-Sight/product/10210713/-1767705
Glad it is starting to come together for you you will enjoy shooting more now. Get what you can afford now and save up for a quality sight system for next year. The money you saved not having to get a new gun or use a gunsmith should help. Good luck
Quote from: TalksToTurkeys on April 10, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
The choke can change your POI considerably. You could try a different one.
I had the same problem with my 870 Super Mag but it was shooting low and left. I tried all kinds of different chokes and I finally got mine back shooting straight by using the factory Full choke. I didn't want to use any optics I just wanted to look down the barrel and shoot and being this was my Duck hunting gun also and didn't want to fool around with mounting and unmounting scopes every year. Chief.