First off, I have never used a drone or plan to and furthermore do not own one. However, my buddy and I were talking the other day about how turkey hunting has changed even over the past few years and the thought of drones got brought up. I know a lot of people that film and edit hunts are starting to use them for pre and post hunt footage. My question is do you or anyone else you know use drones while hunting or scouting? E.G. ( flying it to check a pasture or greenfield a few hundred yards away instead of walking.) I myself enjoy the old school tactics but I was just curious if it has made it into the turkey hunting scene yet. P.S...... I can not afford a drone. Haha
No, i don't want to run the crows off...crows help locate gobblers...unless we can get a drone to look and sound like a crow....
A lot of states, it's illegal to use while hunting. As it should be.
Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
No, i don't want to run the crows off...crows help locate gobblers...unless we can get a drone to look and sound like a crow....
^^^^ this. LOL.
Nope.
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No.
That said, drone "assisted" hunting or scouting has become an issue for wildlife agencies across the country. Scouting fields, checking duck & goose decoy spreads from a "bird's eye" point of view, etc. are just some of the issues. I have no problem with drone use to add cinematography to the before or after scenes of a hunting video - but I obviously disagree with their use to gain real time information.
Quote from: SteelerFan on March 08, 2017, 05:52:45 AM
No.
That said, drone "assisted" hunting or scouting has become an issue for wildlife agencies across the country. Scouting fields, checking duck & goose decoy spreads from a "bird's eye" point of view, etc. are just some of the issues. I have no problem with drone use to add cinematography to the before or after scenes of a hunting video - but I obviously disagree with their use to gain real time information.
I agree but it's really not that different from the game cameras that send pics directly to your phone. Personally I am not a big fan of any game cameras other than the one in my backyard taking pictures of animals I don't hunt. Just my opinion of course.
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I would never use one to hunt. But I have an airplane I built from foam and I use it often to get aerial videos and pics of different areas. I plan to try to incorporate it into some hunting related video this spring.
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A lot of western states are getting ahead of the drone craze and have already made them illegal as a scouting tool. Unfair advantage! Plus who the H wants to be set up on a bird and have a drone buzz by from someone who's checking out a spot. There cool but limits need to be set before bigger issues arise.
If anyone is gonna use one let me know where sounds like great wing shooting practice
they are turkeys, we already over complicate hunting them. Drones, robot decoys... might was well set of net traps over corn feeders..
I don't want to over simplify things but we are already hunting a bird that literally announces his physical presence and location as many as 100+ times a day.
Hunters always trying to get an edge. This isn't hunting but unfortunately this is the way hunting is going these days pretty soon youll be able to shoot that Boss Gobbler or big buck while at work. :firefighter:
Quote from: Twowithone on March 08, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Hunters always trying to get an edge. This isn't hunting but unfortunately this is the way hunting is going these days pretty soon youll be able to shoot that Boss Gobbler or big buck while at work. :firefighter:
and that would be the day I'd have to just give up first. Just way too much technology in world today, of course, this is coming from guy that doesn't own a cell phone
They should be outlawed (and have been in many places) for any kind of use in a hunting situation (as should "real time" game cams). As for use as a scouting tool, I personally think that is something that would very difficult to enforce. How would an enforcement agency be able to prove that someone flying a drone was using it to scout for game rather than just for entertainment or videography?
Anybody could say they were just flying their drone "for fun", even if they were using it to scout for hunting,...and no one could prove otherwise. Frankly, I think eventually drone use will become highly regulated by the FAA because of the many other nefarious uses in our society and the problem will take care of itself. Time will tell.
I wholeheartedly agree that drones should be banned for use in hunting situations. I would like to point out a big difference between them and trail cameras though. Drones spook game and non- game wildlife, where trail cams are fairly unonbtrusive. Drones also can be, and have been, used by unethical hunters to "herd" game over property boundaries or toward set ups. Thankfully many states and conservation organizations are getting ahead of the curve. Even the National Park system has banned them.
ETA: Like a previous poster my only trail cam is in the back yard to see what kind of critters wander through. I don't really have a dog in the fight on trail cams, I just wanted to point out what is in my opinion a significant difference between the two.
Drones should be illegal for use in hunting situations. Saying that, if they are not illegal in your state and you want to use one go ahead. I have no plan on using them but I have no right to bash someone who is hunting legally.
I know of people that have tried to use them for turkey hunting... Apparently at best they can use them to get a sense of the landscape, as apparently the turkeys do not like them, and tend to go into hiding when they are utilized.
As it currently stands, they are fairly useless for duck hunting outside of getting a bird's eye view of the blind or the area being hunting... Which honestly, I would be somewhat interested in doing myself.
However, I can see potential for turning drones into "flying decoys" and using them in a completely unfair method.
Personally, at the least, I would like a law that says you cannot hunt (anything) within 24 hours of applying a drone...
With me piloting a drone the only thing in danger would be myself and my accomplices so I'll pass.
Drones,cameras,motion decoys, decoys on remote controled wheels. Its suppose to be difficult its a sport if getting a picture of yourself and a dead turkey is your ultimate goal go buy a tame turkey and knock it in the head with a hammer and take all the hero pics and video you want.And on the plus side any moron that would want to look at your pics. or video probably can't tell the difference between a wild gobbler and a butterball.You saved all that money on gadgets got the pics for your mybook and yourface page and you can make up any story you want to go with the pics. and the best part me or some other hunter doesn't have to see you running around the woods breathing out of your mouth with a sweat bra on..looking for your lost toy lol its a win for eveyone
As eluded to previously, I do see a benefit in utilizing drones to find or investigate new areas of land to hunt.
I also see considerable issues with such message being utilized without regulation.
Land access is one of the most challenging aspects facing most turkey hunters, especially new turkey hunters.
I think if most hunters had access to good areas to hunt, there would be less incentive to use mechanical decoys and all of the other gimmicks that currently seem to go against some of my own ethics in hunting.
Currently my greatest challenge in turkey hunting is finding a place to hunt turkeys that actually has turkeys. In the back of my mind I have an inkling that I could find new areas by utilizing a drone. This would be something that would interest me far more in the off-season then during the hunting season though.
Quote from: Treerooster on March 08, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Marc on March 08, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
Personally, at the least, I would like a law that says you cannot hunt (anything) within 24 hours of applying a drone...
So if somebody were to fly a drone over your duck pond, or a WMA then nobody could hunt that place the next day? Great weapon for an anti hunter with that law.
For me it goes back to electronic decoys and calls. Don't see why they are legal anywhere. Drones would fall into that category.
pretty sure he ment the person flying the drone not everyone else
Would you still need an out of state license to pilot a drone via satellite in another state to get your birds?
Imagine the savings on travel expenses, just do it on line!
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Quote from: Treerooster on March 08, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Marc on March 08, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
Personally, at the least, I would like a law that says you cannot hunt (anything) within 24 hours of applying a drone...
So if somebody were to fly a drone over your duck pond, or a WMA then nobody could hunt that place the next day? Great weapon for an anti hunter with that law.
For me it goes back to electronic decoys and calls. Don't see why they are legal anywhere. Drones would fall into that category.
As stated I meant the person flying the drone would be no longer eligible to hunt for 24 hours after flying the drone. Better yet no flying drones during the season at all.
Someone flies a drone over my private duck club, the drone is either not coming back, or coming back severely damaged. I would guess a similar situation might occur at a Refuge as well with most hunters.
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Currently my greatest challenge in turkey hunting is finding a place to hunt turkeys that actually has turkeys. In the back of my mind I have an inkling that I could find new areas by utilizing a drone. This would be something that would interest me far more in the off-season then during the hunting season though.
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The best scouting tool available
Quote from: Phillipshunt on March 08, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
[quote author=Marc link=topic=71195.msg693966#msg693966 date
Currently my greatest challenge in turkey hunting is finding a place to hunt turkeys that actually has turkeys. In the back of my mind I have an inkling that I could find new areas by utilizing a drone. This would be something that would interest me far more in the off-season then during the hunting season though.
The best scouting tool available
[/quote] yep, by far
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We are starting to see a lot of real estate companies use drones for taking aerial video and pics of properties they have for sale. Pretty cool stuff. I wouldn't ever see a use for them in a hunting situation as most everything is terribly petrified of drones. Also, you already have to pass an FAA test to be able to legally fly one. Basically the same test as a pilot so that will cut down on the number of people that just get them for casual use.
I am considering doing some freelance work for land realtors in the area and some other business opportunities. Also, unless you get a pretty substantial drone the battery life will kill you. A decent size drone takes 2 fully charged batteries to run footage and pics of about 200 acres.
I don't think it will ever be a huge problem as far as actually using them for hunting goes.
I know 2 guys who had expensive drones and they tried to scout a couple of fields over. They were sending it over some Tall oaks and gust of wind blew it into the woods and crashed and destroyed it. Funny if you know the guys. Way more money than sense. Have 2 trail cameras out. Have no problem with them. If you work alot its a good way to scout.
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Quote from: Phillipshunt on March 08, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
[quote author=Marc link=topic=71195.msg693966#msg693966 date
Currently my greatest challenge in turkey hunting is finding a place to hunt turkeys that actually has turkeys. In the back of my mind I have an inkling that I could find new areas by utilizing a drone. This would be something that would interest me far more in the off-season then during the hunting season though.
The best scouting tool available
yep, by far
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[/quote] Do you have to have a license to fly these ?
I shot down my old neighbors remote control airplane. Thinking a drone won't be too much harder to hit. And yes he knew it was coming and dared me to try.
Only took two shots.
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Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2017, 05:23:35 PM
I shot down my old neighbors remote control airplane. Thinking a drone won't be too much harder to hit. And yes he knew it was coming and dared me to try.
Only took two shots.
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Quote from: BB30 on March 08, 2017, 05:05:50 PMAlso, you already have to pass an FAA test to be able to legally fly one. Basically the same test as a pilot so that will cut down on the number of people that just get them for casual use.
where'd you hear this? Last I checked you only need to register your unmanned aircraft. One number is good for all your aircraft. They do have their "rules" or guidelines for safe flying, some Bs about 400 ft altitude lol
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Don't care for drones OR trail cameras. :z-twocents:
Quote from: catman529 on March 09, 2017, 06:42:18 AM
Quote from: BB30 on March 08, 2017, 05:05:50 PMAlso, you already have to pass an FAA test to be able to legally fly one. Basically the same test as a pilot so that will cut down on the number of people that just get them for casual use.
where'd you hear this? Last I checked you only need to register your unmanned aircraft. One number is good for all your aircraft. They do have their "rules" or guidelines for safe flying, some Bs about 400 ft altitude lol
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My buddy that I will be working with runs a drone for work and he had to take it. They have started cracking down a bit. Now that may only be for certain sized drones or for certain uses but he had to take the test and I will be too.
Commercial use requires the license. We are starting to use one at work for measuring gravel stock piles, bridge inspection, etc. Only one of our guys has the license so far. He actually has a similar drone at home, but does not need the license for personal use.
I really have no interest in flying it, so I turned down the offer to take the test. However, I may be required to if we find more use for it. You are going to see more use as time goes by and prices come down. You'll also see more regulation as that hsppens.
Don't know anyone who is doing that, or even if it is legal. All I know is I don't approve of anything electronic to help you hunt, other than range finders or radios for safety.
Drones for turkey hunting :z-dizzy: and what next? :TrainWreck1:
If they will mount a stutter on a RC Truck chassis then drones are only a matter of time...then we could put a decoy body on the drone and have them fly down into the field creating even more realism as the RC Gobbler flies furiously around trying to catch her! :turkey2:
Quote from: hobbes on March 09, 2017, 11:16:52 AM
Commercial use requires the license. We are starting to use one at work for measuring gravel stock piles, bridge inspection, etc. Only one of our guys has the license so far. He actually has a similar drone at home, but does not need the license for personal use.
I really have no interest in flying it, so I turned down the offer to take the test. However, I may be required to if we find more use for it. You are going to see more use as time goes by and prices come down. You'll also see more regulation as that hsppens.
Thanks for clarifying that. Sorry for the bad info. We are looking into getting involved with it commercially so I guess that is why he told me about taking the test.
Scouting fields at a high enough elevation is the only benefit that I could see, especially if you are set up to watch real time video. I have no interest in that, but that is real time info that could be an advantage. It's illegal in Montana.
I would however consider having a leased or owned property flown to create higher resolution aerial photos and build 3d images, but that's not hunting with it. That's improving on Google Maps.
As far as shooting them down goes.....the FAA still says it's against federal law.
Quote from: hobbes on March 09, 2017, 11:46:00 AM
Scouting fields at a high enough elevation is the only benefit that I could see, especially if you are set up to watch real time video. I have no interest in that, but that is real time info that could be an advantage. It's illegal in Montana.
I would however consider having a leased or owned property flown to create higher resolution aerial photos and build 3d images, but that's not hunting with it. That's improving on Google Maps.
As far as shooting them down goes.....the FAA still says it's against federal law.
Currently our rivers are running full, and in some areas the high-water mark is considered public domain (the highest high-water mark in the last 10 years). I would love to fly a drone down some of the areas I like to hunt and fish and get a good idea of where I could legally tromp through the woods when the water starts to recede.
I know of a couple of BLM areas that from my perspective are land-locked inside of private lands... I have been told there are small corners of some of these properties with public access, and I would guess that a drone could give me a lay of the land, as well as locate private owners to potentially ask them for permission.
However, the idea of crashing a several thousand dollar toy into the flooded river basin, or irritating owners of property adjacent to where I want to hunt does not appeal to me.
Admittedly, the idea of physically scouting for game using a drone seems inherently wrong to me... Cheating if you will.
I myself will be working 6 days per week during this coming turkey season, and getting boots on the ground to scout areas that are over 1 hour away from my house is not really an option (especially with a family at home). I can certainly see where the use of cameras and drones, and such would be appealing.
I suppose I am lucky to have a couple areas to go where I know some (not a lot, but some) birds are. I will hunt the heck out of those areas during the turkey season and hope for the best. The temptation to put out some cameras to figure things out is awfully tempting, but at this time, just "feels" wrong to me...
The land-owner on one of the properties would probably think the drones are pretty cool, and on the other property a drone would probably be shot down...
The bottom line is that even in the hunting world we are going to have to deal with and address the use and regulation of technology... I would prefer that hunters have a say (and an ethical stance) in the use and regulation of such.
I don't know all the ins and outs of the rules on commercial use. I just happen to be discussing the license requirements yesterday with a coworker who has the license. I've seen those video shots also but don't know where the line is drawn.
I know if you are selling the service, ie. flying someone's property to build maps or photos for them, you need the license. We are a state agency flying out own materials and ROWs and need a license. It almost seems reasonable that you'd need a license if you were creating video to be edited and sold that a license would be required. But......i suspect there is a grey area there. In fact the laws aren't keeping up with the technology and there seems to be a lot of grey area.
If I were to buy one, I'd be well versed in the laws released by the FAA last year.
Montana's rule on UAVs (drones):
The use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) for
the purpose of locating, spotting or hunting big
game, upland birds or other species under the
management authority of FWP during commission established
hunting seasons is prohibited.
The law closes the door on using it the day before like an aircraft can. Enforcement would be the problem.
Quote from: GED6531 on March 08, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
First off, I have never used a drone or plan to and furthermore do not own one. However, my buddy and I were talking the other day about how turkey hunting has changed even over the past few years and the thought of drones got brought up. I know a lot of people that film and edit hunts are starting to use them for pre and post hunt footage. My question is do you or anyone else you know use drones while hunting or scouting? E.G. ( flying it to check a pasture or greenfield a few hundred yards away instead of walking.) I myself enjoy the old school tactics but I was just curious if it has made it into the turkey hunting scene yet. P.S...... I can not afford a drone. Haha
Me, personally, I like the rush of easing up to an area (field, patch of woods, etc...) and seeing what is there. Using a drone would take the fun/excitement/surprise out of it for me. Next thing you know, people will be mounting guns on drones and not even leaving their living room to hunt...
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 09, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
Don't know anyone who is doing that, or even if it is legal. All I know is I don't approve of anything electronic to help you hunt, other than range finders or radios for safety.
I totally agree with you.
Quote from: deerbasshunter3 on March 09, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
Me, personally, I like the rush of easing up to an area (field, patch of woods, etc...) and seeing what is there. Using a drone would take the fun/excitement/surprise out of it for me. Next thing you know, people will be mounting guns on drones and not even leaving their living room to hunt...
Exactly. For instance, I'm getting up at 3:30 in the morning to drive an hour to go and listen for birds on the roost in Tennessee at one of my farms. Season doesn't open til April 1st there, but I enjoy the little things even outside of the hunt like getting food plots ready, checking my vest and reorganizing, walking miles to scout, and just being outside at daylight and watching and hearing the woods wake up.
Drones wont live long on public lands in pa., suggest we put a one a day limit.
Im getting more concerned with what hunters looking to make it rich come up with to invent. Its like the industry is about out of ideas for making a new revolutionary product in turkey hunting. So here comes outside the box gimmicks, I.E., strutter decoy on wheels, Drones etc! To me its a big :TrainWreck1:
Quote from: turk2di on March 12, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
Im getting more concerned with what hunters looking to make it rich come up with to invent. Its like the industry is about out of ideas for making a new revolutionary product in turkey hunting. So here comes outside the box gimmicks, I.E., strutter decoy on wheels, Drones etc! To me its a big :TrainWreck1:
Fanning and motorized decoys... It isn't really even hunting anymore when these two are in play...
Quote from: turk2di on March 12, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
Im getting more concerned with what hunters looking to make it rich come up with to invent. Its like the industry is about out of ideas for making a new revolutionary product in turkey hunting. So here comes outside the box gimmicks, I.E., strutter decoy on wheels, Drones etc! To me its a big :TrainWreck1:
nobody invented a drone to hunt turkeys with, it's just that some people think they can actually use drones to hunt with.
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Quote from: deerbasshunter3 on March 13, 2017, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: turk2di on March 12, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
Im getting more concerned with what hunters looking to make it rich come up with to invent. Its like the industry is about out of ideas for making a new revolutionary product in turkey hunting. So here comes outside the box gimmicks, I.E., strutter decoy on wheels, Drones etc! To me its a big :TrainWreck1:
Fanning and motorized decoys... It isn't really even hunting anymore when these two are in play...
don't knock the fanning, when you are holding nothing but a tail fan and a shotgun, crawling towards a gobbler, it is pretty exciting. One wrong move and he will see you behind that fan. I did it once and am not above doing it again, but probably won't for a long time, cause I only get 4 birds here and like to call them in.
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