What are all of the lot #s from the 2011 batch for 3" Hevi-13 2oz 6s?
Thanks,
Colton
The 3in. 2oz. 6's I got this year had the lot # 200918.
are you guy having problems with just the 3.5" loads? or is it all Hevi 13 loads?
I'm frankly not seeing any differences in any of the Hevi-13 shells that I shoot either #6 shot or #7 shot. I shoot mainly 3" in 12 gauge guns and 3" in 20 gauge guns.
Since I shoot in still target competition, I shoot literally hundreds of these, and other shells each year, in practice and competition. Not every pattern is identical and some are always better than others, regardless of brand but they've been shooting the same for the last several years for me.
I hope that helps.
Thanks,
Clark
unless a person is shooting the under the same EXACT conditions as they were last year you are comparing apples to oranges not apples to apples
Quote from: BigPeck215 on April 10, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
unless a person is shooting the under the same EXACT conditions as they were last year you are comparing apples to oranges not apples to apples
Agreed.
Thanks,
Clark
Clark, if you choose to bury your head in the sand and deny that there is any load\component change in the 3 inch shells, that is up to you. Perhaps you haven't seen any change. Lucky you. Fantastic. Please don't deny others that have. I read your humble posts as a sign of disbelief. I've fired enough to know, without a doubt, there is a change is some of the 3" Hevi 7s. I'm a science teacher so I've made darn sure to take the variables out of the equation. Consider yourself lucky, but please don't shun the results of others with your smugness.
My apologies if I've taken the written text the wrong way.
Quote from: lking on April 10, 2011, 08:40:32 PM
Clark, if you choose to bury your head in the sand and deny that there is any load\component change in the 3 inch shells, that is up to you. Perhaps you haven't seen any change. Lucky you. Fantastic. Please don't deny others that have. I read your humble posts as a sign of disbelief. I've fired enough to know, without a doubt, there is a change is some of the 3" Hevi 7s. I'm a science teacher so I've made darn sure to take the variables out of the equation. Consider yourself lucky, but please don't shun the results of others with your smugness.
My apologies if I've taken the written text the wrong way.
Thats well said. I saw a pattern drop of 99 pellets at 40 yards with this years lot #300487 3.5" 2.25oz #7s. Even last years shells at 30 degrees patterned better then this years 300847s at 55 degrees.
Quote from: lking on April 10, 2011, 08:40:32 PM
Clark, if you choose to bury your head in the sand and deny that there is any load\component change in the 3 inch shells, that is up to you. Perhaps you haven't seen any change. Lucky you. Fantastic. Please don't deny others that have. I read your humble posts as a sign of disbelief. I've fired enough to know, without a doubt, there is a change is some of the 3" Hevi 7s. I'm a science teacher so I've made darn sure to take the variables out of the equation. Consider yourself lucky, but please don't shun the results of others with your smugness.
My apologies if I've taken the written text the wrong way.
No offense taken, none intended and no apology necessary. I can only state what I've seen and experienced over the last several years. I shoot all year at my range and in competition from April through November each year. I see lots of different patterns, both from my guns and from the guns of those that I shoot with in matches all over. We all see that.
At times, patterns are better than others, regardless of what shells we shoot. We find some locations where every year patterns are better. Certain months always seem to produce better patterns. We normally see great patterns in August, for example. It may be atmospheric conditions, probably is but who knows?
On a given day I may see some great patterns or some poorer patterns but I just have not seen any consistent differences in the patterns this year from those of the last several years.
Thanks,
Clark
I almost hate to post this but Clark I have not had a pellet count drop either with this years loads (H13) and I have 2- 5 box orders all from the same place . I dint have the lot #s .
Although some of you may see a difference in the number of pellets in your patterns on paper I seriously doubt you'll see any difference in killing effectiveness when shot at a turkey IMO.
Where is the lot# on the box???
Quote from: hookedspur on April 10, 2011, 11:46:24 PM
I almost hate to post this but Clark I have not had a pellet count drop either with this years loads (H13) and I have 2- 5 box orders all from the same place . I dint have the lot #s .
Me neither. Some shot better this year, but I also polished one of my guns. I only shoot 3 inch, so I guess you can put me up on one of the crosses too.
Just got home from Cabala's and noticed something with the HM13 3 inch #7 shot shells they had there. Four boxes were labeled 1.5/8 oz not 2.0 oz. The boxes were clearly marked for both loads but the lighter loads had a taped on funny label like they were a buy out and they were marked down. Just saying there are different amounts of shot in the two loads on the same shelf (yes they were separated). The load amount was from Environ metals not the store but the labels were real weird?
I will probably get steam rolled for this, but I do not pattern my turkey gun to see how many holes I get in a 10" circle at 40 yards. I pattern my gun to make sure I know its effective range so that I can make a clean and ethical kill on an animal I love to hunt. Some guys worry so much about how many holes they get in 10" and complain that they dropped from 300 to 225, well 225 will kill a turkey just as grave yard dead as 300, and I would rather have it in a hunting situation because it gives me room for error at 15 yards. I have that gun, choke, and load to kill a turkey, not to count holes in a piece of paper. Is is fun to see how well my gun can do? Of course it is but I do not hunt with the shells that can put up 250 - 325 holes at 45 yards, I hunt with shells that put 200 or a few more in a circle and would be just as happy with 150 of an even pattern at 40 yards. I do not want a 60 yard turkey gun. I want him close where I know that I beat him at the game he is so good at. Will I kill less turkeys? Yes! Will I enjoy it more? Yes. Sorry to get on a wild hair but I am just tired of people complaining cause all they can get is 250 holes in 10". How less dead is a turkey hit with a pattern that is 100 hits in 10" than one that is hit with a pattern that is 300 hits in 10"? Sorry to offend anyone but this is my opinion and I will keep my thoughts to myself about this subject from here on out.
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Davisd9
No one should steam roll you or criticize you for your post. You are not attacking anyone your are giving your thoughts on a sport we enjoy and elect to pursue. Others will post their thoughts on how they approach the target be it pellet count or dense killing pattern and the result is the same a clean kill on a TURKEY. If someone wants to score as many hits as can be scored I say more power to them and if like myself I am more concerned with holes in the pattern then that is my way of thinking but both are right for the individual person. This site is for learning and exchanging information and a darn good site it is. I have had a lot of help and information from many members here and will continue to participate. Please do not back off as it is not personal from 90% of the members here and written text is not the same as a phone conversation. Enjoy the site and ask away or post your ideas if some one does not like the post most likely they will not comment.
IMO FWIW, if you are setting up a gun to shoot 40+ you will have a tight pattern up close so a miss is a miss whether you are shooting Pb or HTL. If I set my gun up for a 50 yard max then I want to see at least 200 hits at 40. So counting holes can be somewhat important. IME at 20 yards they are all so tight there really is very little "wiggle room"
davisd9,
I gotta admit, I couldn't agree more. I have done the tweeking and gotten caught up in the competition to put >200 in a 10" circle. After a red dot sight, barrel polishing, and an IC choke along with countless loads to find the best one, I finally found the right combo. Sometimes, we allow our testosterone filled chest thumping to overcome reason. First turkey I went to shoot, I flinched slightly and sent the pattern anywhere but where it was intended. Luckily, I got a second chance and killed him. I killed countless turkeys over the years with a factory full choke and 2 3/4" copper-plated lead 6's. Sometimes, too tight is too much of a good thing. I'm not going to shoot a turkey beyond 40 yds. A nice even distributed pattern is better than one the size of a basketball.