Over Calling
Blind calling more than once every 10 to 15 minutes, would be over calling in my book
over calling is an action taken by a hunter who doesn't kill alot of turkeys and cannot figure out why they gobble so much but won't come in. I would also say it depends on the individual bird. I like to say fired up isn't fried up even though they have the same letters.
when your younger brother says will you shut up so i can listen
I think if you get a hot bird... You cant over call... He's dead from his first gobble... Now birds that have been hunted hard all season long, just a purr and some scratching in the leaves will kill him... Everything else will send him on his way... What I love to hear is people in national forest mangle calling... Makes for smarter bird and more empty hands going home... then I come in and lay the smackdown
When YOUR mind gets the better of you...I would call that "over calling" When your frustrated at that bird and you let emotion or YOUR mind takes over....
I was always told a great acronym-KISS..... Keep It Simple Stupid
As a new hunter, year 3, I think over calling is calling, yelping and cutting to a bird that cuts you off every time. Then you notice he is not getting closer or hasn't flown down yet. Point in case, as I look back at my very first morning turkey hunting, I called a lot. On the way in I thought I heard a gobble, right a day light, my son yelped on his push call and 2 birds fired off close. We got set up and started calling, and man did those birds gobble. Then a 3rd one started up behind us. We just called, yelps, for the next 1.5 hours. Those 2 birds in front of us never budged. There would be some quiet times, but they never went away, and never got closer. Finally he went to sleep and I stopped calling and the 1 behind us came in silent. He died at 25 yds. So, I think I over called and those birds never left the roost, or were down and were just sitting strutting and gobbling. So, that to me is over calling.
Interesting ideas.
Good thing I've spent most of my time the last few years hunting dumb Merriams. ;D
Over calling to me is throwing it all to a bird before you take his temperature. Sometimes the birds I hunt want it all but not often. If soft infrequent calling don't get him to move I ramp it up.
somebody needs to explain to about 70 hens I know what over calling is.
Over calling to me is that butthole in my club that signs out the section next to mine. He rides his four wheeler up and down the road stopping every 100 yards or so and blasts on his crow call, while I'm working a bird.
Oh wait, wrong thread. Sorry
Quote from: hobbes on February 10, 2011, 01:17:49 PM
Interesting ideas.
Good thing I've spent most of my time the last few years hunting dumb Merriams. ;D
yeah them turkeys aint the sharpest knives in the kitchen
The maximum number of calls a particular gobbler will let you get away with... + 1.
Quote from: dodger on February 10, 2011, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: hobbes on February 10, 2011, 01:17:49 PM
Interesting ideas.
Good thing I've spent most of my time the last few years hunting dumb Merriams. ;D
yeah them turkeys aint the sharpest knives in the kitchen
I've heard that.........but I always liked dumb turkeys.
when you run out of cell min's..... :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
I prefer to hunt the dumb ones. :fud: :newmascot: Mike
If he answers ,wait a few,call again. If he's closer,he on his way. No need to call again. If you keep calling cause you like to hear him gobble,that's over calling. Kinda like when I was younger. If a gal says sure I'd like to see your Beatles collection,ain't no need to buy her anymore drinks. The deal is sealed son. :z-flirtysmile3:
Over calling is when you call so much you cant even hear the turkeys gobbling over your own calling :TooFunny: Im a passive caller but I've heard hens that I thought would never shut up and in those cases I dont either :icon_thumright:
How do you know your overcalling until the encounter is over?
And once the encounter is over how do you know that excessive calling resulted in lack of a kill?
It's like having too much to drink. You don't know you did it...until you done it. ;)
Quote from: stinkpickle on February 10, 2011, 03:04:52 PM
It's like having too much to drink. You don't know you did it...until you done it. ;)
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Quote from: shootumindaface on February 10, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
How do you know your overcalling until the encounter is over?
And once the encounter is over how do you know that excessive calling resulted in lack of a kill?
I believe theres to many variables to give an honest answer and so many questions that cant be answered. The mystery is part of the reason turkey hunting is so obsessive. Its a game between you and him and you can never take back what you've already done nor can you be 100% sure what would have happened if you done it differently.
1. How do you know you would have killed him if you didnt call much?
2. Was it possible you made him gobble so much that a hen finally went to him?
3. Did he already have hens that you ticked off and led him away?
My last bird was a set up 50 yds away. We made a series of calls then quiet. Waited a few then called agian. Nothing. After 20 minutes total, I crawled out and could see a hen leading him down the field. We trucked thru the woods and peaked out, he was still moving. Repeated that about 3 more times and he was gone. I told my buddy he was in the woods, call once. He did and the tom finally gobbled. We move forward and set up. Got ready and my buddy called again. He double gobbled. We waited, and listened to the crickets. Called again then the hen started up. I pulled out my slate and waited for Bruce to hit it again, as soon as he did, I jumped in with him. Waited a minute and the hen started trowing another fit and I jumped on her doing the same thing but louder. Then I stopped and waited. He finally poked his head out and I shot him in the face. We called a lot at first with no results and called again alot later and made him leave the hen. You judge if it was over calling. I can tell you this, over calling and taking one that talks back to you is a lot more fun than shooting one that is sneaking in.
Great thread! But there is no such thing as over calling. As long as you sound like a turkey
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Quote from: shootumindaface on February 10, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
How do you know your overcalling until the encounter is over?
And once the encounter is over how do you know that excessive calling resulted in lack of a kill?
Experienced guess. Thats the best you can do on both questions.
Over calling is a term used a lot by people who aren't real good with a call, and they don't understand the meaning of the calls their making. Over calling is based somewhat on the callers ability. A good caller can get away with a lot more calling than a bad caller. But even a good caller can call to much in some situations. I'm not a great caller and I don't kid myself about it, so my calling is held to just enough to get the bird in range, anything else in my opinion would be over calling.
My rule of thumb is if I think myself or my hunting partner is calling to much, then we are.
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
Great thread! But there is no such thing as over calling. As long as you sound like a turkey
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I might have to disagree with you on that statement. Sounding like a turkey, and acting like a turkey are 2 different things in my opinion. Besides, how do you define sounding like a turkey?
I've been hunting public places and if I was a betting man, I would have lost everything I owned thinking a hunter was making some TERRIBLE turkey talk, only to find out it was a real hen. :begging:
Regardless, one needs to do what a turkey would do as well. I don't believe a turkey is gonna come to me if I run full speed ahead through the woods, sounding exactly like a turkey would sound.
Just stirring the pot a little.
God Bless,
David B.
Ever listened to a group of riled up hens? They don't hold anything back. In fact, just click on TRKYHTR's link in his turkey scouting thread.
I do think you have to use a little common sense though.
Come hunt with me....you will see overcalling at it's finest. :begging:
According to some here I over call, however my definiton to over calling would be calling without reason. Meaning everytime I call to a turkey I have specific reason to why I made that call. I do call quite often, but with reason. My second part of my answer is calling to a turkey that is already committed. Once he is on his way calling is not neccessary unless he has gotten off path.
I've got video of a hen cutting and yelping for 10 minutes or more straight, yelp sequences 40 something notes long. So, in my opinion if she can call that much and her obviously being the greatest teacher, then it'd be impossible for me to call too much. I'd pass out first. So in my opinion, if I was able encounter it then a gobbler living with her everyday has heard it a time or 2 at least. :you_rock:
Quote from: BOFF on February 10, 2011, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
Great thread! But there is no such thing as over calling. As long as you sound like a turkey
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I might have to disagree with you on that statement. Sounding like a turkey, and acting like a turkey are 2 different things in my opinion. Besides, how do you define sounding like a turkey?
I've been hunting public places and if I was a betting man, I would have lost everything I owned thinking a hunter was making some TERRIBLE turkey talk, only to find out it was a real hen. :begging:
Regardless, one needs to do what a turkey would do as well. I don't believe a turkey is gonna come to me if I run full speed ahead through the woods, sounding exactly like a turkey would sound.
Just stirring the pot a little.
God Bless,
David B.
Quote from: shootumindaface on February 10, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
How do you know your overcalling until the encounter is over?
And once the encounter is over how do you know that excessive calling resulted in lack of a kill?
Not sure how to answer that one, but one thing you can be assured of. . . . if he does walk off I wont be saying, "Man I should have called more to him". He might have a choice on whether to come or not, but he aint gonna a choice but to hear me. :you_rock:
Quote from: Shotgun on February 10, 2011, 08:39:44 PM
Meaning everytime I call to a turkey I have specific reason to why I made that call. I do call quite often, but with reason.
;D
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
I've got video of a hen cutting and yelping for 10 minutes or more straight, yelp sequences 40 something notes long. So, in my opinion if she can call that much and her obviously being the greatest teacher, then it'd be impossible for me to call too much. I'd pass out first. So in my opinion, if I was able encounter it then a gobbler living with her everyday has heard it a time or 2 at least. :you_rock:
Quote from: BOFF on February 10, 2011, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
Great thread! But there is no such thing as over calling. As long as you sound like a turkey
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I might have to disagree with you on that statement. Sounding like a turkey, and acting like a turkey are 2 different things in my opinion. Besides, how do you define sounding like a turkey?
I've been hunting public places and if I was a betting man, I would have lost everything I owned thinking a hunter was making some TERRIBLE turkey talk, only to find out it was a real hen. :begging:
Regardless, one needs to do what a turkey would do as well. I don't believe a turkey is gonna come to me if I run full speed ahead through the woods, sounding exactly like a turkey would sound.
Just stirring the pot a little.
God Bless,
David B.
Start a thread.. Love obnoxious hens.. We dont have them here our hens cluck once every 30 minutes ;D
Overcalling - what I feel like I'm doing every time I play back a video of one of my hunts :( but I sho do love hearing em gobble ;D !!!
OVERCALLING - :newmascot:
As Justice Potter Stewart said "I know it when I see it", but I agree the better caller (and the better at reading a bird) you are the more aggressive you can be with your calling...and I could probably stand to improve a lot....
Quote from: shootumindaface on February 10, 2011, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
I've got video of a hen cutting and yelping for 10 minutes or more straight, yelp sequences 40 something notes long. So, in my opinion if she can call that much and her obviously being the greatest teacher, then it'd be impossible for me to call too much. I'd pass out first. So in my opinion, if I was able encounter it then a gobbler living with her everyday has heard it a time or 2 at least. :you_rock:
Quote from: BOFF on February 10, 2011, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Covehnter on February 10, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
Great thread! But there is no such thing as over calling. As long as you sound like a turkey
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I might have to disagree with you on that statement. Sounding like a turkey, and acting like a turkey are 2 different things in my opinion. Besides, how do you define sounding like a turkey?
I've been hunting public places and if I was a betting man, I would have lost everything I owned thinking a hunter was making some TERRIBLE turkey talk, only to find out it was a real hen. :begging:
Regardless, one needs to do what a turkey would do as well. I don't believe a turkey is gonna come to me if I run full speed ahead through the woods, sounding exactly like a turkey would sound.
Just stirring the pot a little.
God Bless,
David B.
Start a thread.. Love obnoxious hens.. We dont have them here our hens cluck once every 30 minutes ;D
I have it on an old camera (the one's that take the miniature VHS looking tapes) and I haven't figured out how to get those to the computer yet. Plus, since she was so talkative the clip length is over 10 minutes (the limit for youtube), so I'll also have to get that software for video editing figured out to cut it down. I'll try to get to work on all that. LoL
Over Calling,Def: The act of calling too much ;D.............
:hello99: My name is John, and I'm an Over Caller :TooFunny:.....
This is what works for me......Sometimes
When in Rome you do what the Roman's do.... (Do what the birds are doing). We all heard that before.
My problem is,or the mistake I sometimes make. When to make that last call. When you think he might be comming and you really don't want to give away your exact location.
It's kinda like over calling. Or not nowing when to shut up!