Hey guys just out of curiosity, what do you consider you number one turkey hunting weakness? Something keeping you from being that much better of a turkey hunter.
I'll start it off. Over the years I've learned an absolute TON about these birds and have really polished my game. But every year I feel what's keeping me from being "elite" is my mouth calling - specifically purrs and kee kee. Also transitioning from an aggressive series of cutts to a Yelp and back and forth. I am well aware that u don't have to be a championship caller to be a good hunter, but I sure would like to step that part of my game up.
How about you?
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Mine is trying to limit my movements (I don't use a mouth call so I am constantly trying to call and not get busted when using my pot or box calls).
To aggressive. I like to get in tight to birds before working them. Working on calling a little less also. Have also learned it's best not to call to a bird until I am trying to kill him.
Not being as good a student of the flora as I could have been. Find the preferred flora and you find the birds.
Patience. I need a lot of work there. I say it over and over. Be patience ...still doesn't work. : )
I am my biggest weakness always and once I remember this and relax birds die.
Second guessing myself and lack of patience
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I cant use a mouth call and never setting up right on a roosted bird, and not striking birds mid day, and getting busted when walking, damn I suck. Maybe this list should be what am I good at..... Hmmm I can pick up heavy stuff and I look good in camo!
Patience... I need more of it...
I also work too hard to make things happen instead of just letting them happen sometimes.
#1 weakness: Thinking that if they don't gobble they're not there.
Confidence/over thinking
I loose confidence in my setups and calling too easily. Sometimes I move to 3-4 different trees before I finally get settled in.
My calling skills in practice are good, but I often get the jitters when I have a working bird and I sound like a hen that has been smoking cowboy killers her whole life.
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The main thing for me, being new, is my lack of experience. I've gotten a lot of help here over the past few months, but really want to get my first bird to help the confidence level. Not really knowing how to work a bird or have a good setup or approach a roosted bird to setup has me second guessing myself a lot. With time this will get better though.
Over calling
Believing my own ears. So many times I'll say to myself or someone I'm with "did you hear that?" I have learned, I think, that if I think I herd a gobble ,I most likely did. Follow it up every time 100%, amazing how many times a little investigating pays off big.
Quote from: Happy on April 25, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
To aggressive. I like to get in tight to birds before working them. Working on calling a little less also. Have also learned it's best not to call to a bird until I am trying to kill him.
Ditto. I like to hear a bird gobble and often go at him entirely too hard.
Quote from: Spurs on April 25, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
My calling skills in practice are good, but I often get the jitters when I have a working bird and I sound like a hen that has been smoking cowboy killers her whole life.
I'll second this as well. Diaphragms have gotten tons better for me over the years. Probably my most consistent producer when the time is near. Seems that my pot calls and box calling sounds sweet as all get out until my adrenaline gets running hard. Then it all goes out the window. Gotta go back to the mouth call until I get calmed down. Heck, the other day I called in the two for my niece and couldn't have asked for a better calling situation IMHO. Tried to call for myself a few days later and couldn't hardly grasp the striker because of the adrenaline in my system.
Mine is definitely lack of confidence. All the consistent killers I know have this confidence that borders on arrogance. They hear a bird gobble and in there head that's todays victim. I'm trying to get to that point.
:camohat: Overcalling and PATIENCE :z-twocents:
First thought was "time." But it's really not time so much as access. Just don't have access to decent ground close enough to home to hunt when I only have a few hours available. Have plenty of other weaknesses; we all do. I do however have confidence that if there are turkeys and time, I'll kill them.
Calling too loudly. I have really been working on my calls and getting a purr on my mouth call. I can do the kee kee pretty well. The trick to purrs on the mouth calls is gargling with your throat(like you are gargling water) not using your lips. Check out Preston Pittman purr video on Youtube. I never knew that until this year and it really worked. But my biggest thing especially with the mouth call is being to loud. I can do soft calls on the my pot call but prefer to use the diaphragm and thats tough for me. I think the trick is to call them softly just as a normal hen would do. If you think about it typically when you hear a hen yelp its pretty soft and she is not shouting from the roof tops like me. So that would be my weakness for the year.
Getting too excited in the moment watching the show or getting surprised by the quiet sneaky gobbler and not putting my cheek tight to the stock.... Missed several over the years by shooting over the head that way... Try to talk to myself the whole time now... Safety off check down squeeze... But I know the rush will still win again eventually and I'll watch him fly away educated...
Time. ( more precisely, the lack of it)..
Single Dad, fulltime (and then some) job,department of finance and transportation for a soon to be 15 year old daughter, :toothy12: and 38th season this year. I have fewer seasons ahead than I do behind me.. :TooFunny: (IF) I make it to retirement, I already have my places that I prefer to kill birds in found.. Just need more days in the woods..
Yall enjoy every second of your time hunting the Wild Turkey.. It goes by too fast. Do whatever you have to and expand your season by traveling to kill birds. It's most rewarding.
Best wishes for all your success.
1# turkey hunting weakness
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my biggest weakness is that I hunt a property that borders a property where the Swedish bikini beach volleyball team practices. But there are not many turkeys there.,
I have other better places to hunt with more turkeys, but I always seem to go back to that one place :TooFunny:
Honestly, my biggest weakness is that I am not willing to "deer hunt" turkeys. Because my turkey hunting "evolved" by hunting places where you can actually call to turkeys and have them come in to your calling gobbling and strutting, that is what turkey hunting is all about to me. However, in my travels I have found that hunting with that strategy does not always work very well in some places. It is very difficult for me to adjust to a deer hunting strategy to kill turkeys,...and, frankly, I would just as soon not do that.
On the other hand, I have hunted a number of places where the resident experts said "you can't kill turkeys by hunting them your way here", only to find out that yes, you can,...if you just try it.
GobbleNut,
I'd consider that a preference. At some point, most of us decide there are ways of hunting we'd just rather not do. Not a dig at those who hunt that way. It's just a personal choice. I'm the same way. Now, when things are dead late in the morning, there are times I'll just sit and rest for an hour to see if something starts up, but that's a bit different.
It hit me one closing day a few years back. I'd been guiding, really an entertaining deal, for business purposes almost every day of the season and still had one of my four TN tags left. I'd called up one for someone that morning, and after the guests all pulled out I told my boss I was heading home. He stopped me and said I should try to fill that final tag on a bird that had given everyone who hunted him fits for weeks. He'd only been hunted in the morning, and I'd only hunted him once, but he roosted in the same little group of pines over a little chufa patch every night.
It was pretty much a layup. Just sit quiet and wait, and he was coming to those trees. About two hours before he was due, I walked in and found a spot that would allow me to move and shoot no matter how he came in and settled in. Fifteen minutes later, I said to myself, "Self, what in the world are you doing? You hate to deer hunt, and you're actually going to sit here and do that to a turkey. Why don't you head home and hope he's here to hunt your way next spring?" And, that's what I did.
I have no issue with anyone who hunts that way. It takes it's own skill and mindset. I just derive no pleasure from it, and that's why we do this.
lack of areas with a few un pressured birds. don't get me wrong , I love the challenge but if I had areas with a good population of birds that wasn't hammered daily then I would see my success rate jump through the roof. I usually do pretty well though with most years getting my limit.
Biggest calling weakness I've seen in others is not knowing how to call hens. Biggest overall is fear of screwing up and their inability to quickly get over screwing up. A pretty well known turkey hunter once said something like, "An average turkey hunter is always worried about screwing up. A great turkey hunter knows he's going to screw up; he accepts it." He was 100% right. Obviously that leaves out the below average hunters who blunder about the woods spooking ten birds for every bird they see or hear. Personally, I've been all three...on the same day.
#1 weakness: LACK OF PATIENCE BY FAR, #2 TOO MUCH CALLING
Hoo, boy, how to pick the #1. Inexperience, I'd say, but along with it I'll take impatience, overcalling, underscouting, drive time to my hunting land, and just a dash of a lack of confidence to season the stew.
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#1 weakness has to be lack of confidence. I know guys who truly believe they can kill every bird they hear. I wish I had that confidence.
Quote from: DawgsFan1 on April 26, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
#1 weakness has to be lack of confidence. I know guys who truly believe they can kill every bird they hear. I wish I had that confidence.
Having confidence in what you are doing is good, but it will only take you so far. Ultimately, it is the turkey that is being called that holds the cards in this game, and whether he has aces or deuces is most often dependent upon how much he has been hunted. The bottom line is that anybody that has the confidence to truly believe he can call in every bird he encounters is probably hunting somewhere with light enough hunting pressure where he might be able to do that,...to a degree. The fact is, though, that anybody that has hunted highly pressured birds is not going to tell you that,...and if he does, he is both fooling you,...and himself. ;D
Probably getting to aggressive when I'm hunting alone. Probably being to conservative when I'm calling for some else.
I would say not having patience. And only using one call! I have a glass call that I have killed lots of birds with that I always use and don't like to switch. I have moves on turkeys only to hear them gobble 20 minutes later right where I was at the first time!
A tendency to overthink everything. I try to convince myself that I need to be in 8 different places at once and need to try this and dont need to do this,or maybe I should do this. I have to remind myself this bird only has a walnut sized brain and no ability to reason so why am I acting like i'm trying to hunt something with a phd?
I have gotten better the older i've got and have killed more birds,but the "what ifs" still linger in my mind alot. :z-dizzy:
Didn't read any of the comments but I think I have this one fixed for you with this post. Saw Hank Parker speak at a Wild Game Banquet at Church a couple years ago. Said he always gets asked by folks on how to be a better hunter and fisherman. Said he always tells them the same answer and as he gave a pistol pointing style hand said:
"Get rid of that job!"
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 26, 2016, 07:18:18 AM
First thought was "time." But it's really not time so much as access. Just don't have access to decent ground close enough to home to hunt when I only have a few hours available. Have plenty of other weaknesses; we all do. I do however have confidence that if there are turkeys and time, I'll kill them.
I'll agree with this as well. Closest to home is public land around 30 minutes away so only having a couple hours is not worth using one of those couple just to drive. I need to find some private land close to home.
Wanting to hunt 24/7 knowing that i can't.. i just love turkey hunting, when you think you have them figured out, they will make a liar out of you. Just can't get enough of it..
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Quote from: DawgsFan1 on April 26, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
#1 weakness has to be lack of confidence. I know guys who truly believe they can kill every bird they hear. I wish I had that confidence.
Having confidence in what you are doing is good, but it will only take you so far. Ultimately, it is the turkey that is being called that holds the cards in this game, and whether he has aces or deuces is most often dependent upon how much he has been hunted. The bottom line is that anybody that has the confidence to truly believe he can call in every bird he encounters is probably hunting somewhere with light enough hunting pressure where he might be able to do that,...to a degree. The fact is, though, that anybody that has hunted highly pressured birds is not going to tell you that,...and if he does, he is both fooling you,...and himself. ;D
Public, private. It doesn't matter. The guy who is an expert with his calls, knows turkeys, understands set-ups and has the confidence to believe that the bird he's after is about to fly down from his final roost is not delusional. It's about knowing you're a killer and having a killer mindset.
My brother, for example, has killed on public land in Florida (on a non-quota WMA), California, and Oregon so far this spring. Additionally he's punched tags in Tennessee on private and here in Virginia, as well.
Last year was public land birds in Montana, Idaho and Washington. The bird he killed in Washington was banded as a mature gobbler 7 years ago. That's at the minimum a 9 year old turkey.
Not only does he know he's going to find turkeys, but he knows he's going to kill them.
I fee the same way he does. I will find turkeys and I will kill them; quickly. The only way you get to that point is to test your skills by traveling and demonstrating consistent success in tough environments.
Turkeys will certainly throw you for a loop every once in a while but a killer will demonstrate resilience by adapting and overcoming. The only way to become a killer is to chase the s.h.i.t. out of turkeys far and wide and constantly critique your strengths and weaknesses in order to improve your harvest numbers.
Quote from: paboxcall on April 25, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
#1 weakness: Thinking that if they don't gobble they're not there.
X2I'm with
paboxcall... I'm working on getting over it, but it's still hard. A lot has to do with KNOWING there are birds around to begin with. Right there with this weakness is the ever present, often unstoppable, urge to force the issue (or speed things up, anyway). I guess that would fall in line with patience.
I'll admit... I have a problem. I'm, uh... well, it's like - ummm... OK -
I LOVE to hear the gobble! There, I said it!! Satisfied? ;D
(That's also why I prefer not to "deer hunt" them, or bushwhack them when their feet touch the ground from the roost)
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 26, 2016, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 26, 2016, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: DawgsFan1 on April 26, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
#1 weakness has to be lack of confidence. I know guys who truly believe they can kill every bird they hear. I wish I had that confidence.
Having confidence in what you are doing is good, but it will only take you so far. Ultimately, it is the turkey that is being called that holds the cards in this game, and whether he has aces or deuces is most often dependent upon how much he has been hunted. The bottom line is that anybody that has the confidence to truly believe he can call in every bird he encounters is probably hunting somewhere with light enough hunting pressure where he might be able to do that,...to a degree. The fact is, though, that anybody that has hunted highly pressured birds is not going to tell you that,...and if he does, he is both fooling you,...and himself. ;D
Public, private. It doesn't matter. The guy who is an expert with his calls, knows turkeys, understands set-ups and has the confidence to believe that the bird he's after is about to fly down from his final roost is not delusional. It's about knowing you're a killer and having a killer mindset.
My brother, for example, has killed on public land in Florida (on a non-quota WMA), California, and Oregon so far this spring. Additionally he's punched tags in Tennessee on private and here in Virginia, as well.
Last year was public land birds in Montana, Idaho and Washington. The bird he killed in Washington was banded as a mature gobbler 7 years ago. That's at the minimum a 9 year old turkey.
Not only does he know he's going to find turkeys, but he knows he's going to kill them.
I fee the same way he does. I will find turkeys and I will kill them; quickly. The only way you get to that point is to test your skills by traveling and demonstrating consistent success in tough environments.
Turkeys will certainly throw you for a loop every once in a while but a killer will demonstrate resilience by adapting and overcoming. The only way to become a killer is to chase the s.h.i.t. out of turkeys far and wide and constantly critique your strengths and weaknesses in order to improve your harvest numbers.
I guess I should have clarified my statement a bit more. I was referring mainly to us mere mortals in my comment about confidence only taking someone so far. I, naturally, should have excluded those of you that have a big red "S" on your chests. I have always wondered how you guys keep it hidden when all those gobblers come running to your calls. Then again, I have never been very good at understanding the supernatural abilities that some folks claim to have.
;D :toothy12: :toothy9: :newmascot: :newmascot: :newmascot: :newmascot: :toothy9: :toothy12: ;D
Constantly second guessing myself. I've been busted a lot because I doubt my setup and get caught moving. When if I would of stayed with my gut feeling on the first set up I prolly would have killed a bird.
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Quote from: GobbleNut on April 26, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 26, 2016, 05:52:06 PM
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Quote from: DawgsFan1 on April 26, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
#1 weakness has to be lack of confidence. I know guys who truly believe they can kill every bird they hear. I wish I had that confidence.
Having confidence in what you are doing is good, but it will only take you so far. Ultimately, it is the turkey that is being called that holds the cards in this game, and whether he has aces or deuces is most often dependent upon how much he has been hunted. The bottom line is that anybody that has the confidence to truly believe he can call in every bird he encounters is probably hunting somewhere with light enough hunting pressure where he might be able to do that,...to a degree. The fact is, though, that anybody that has hunted highly pressured birds is not going to tell you that,...and if he does, he is both fooling you,...and himself. ;D
Public, private. It doesn't matter. The guy who is an expert with his calls, knows turkeys, understands set-ups and has the confidence to believe that the bird he's after is about to fly down from his final roost is not delusional. It's about knowing you're a killer and having a killer mindset.
My brother, for example, has killed on public land in Florida (on a non-quota WMA), California, and Oregon so far this spring. Additionally he's punched tags in Tennessee on private and here in Virginia, as well.
Last year was public land birds in Montana, Idaho and Washington. The bird he killed in Washington was banded as a mature gobbler 7 years ago. That's at the minimum a 9 year old turkey.
Not only does he know he's going to find turkeys, but he knows he's going to kill them.
I fee the same way he does. I will find turkeys and I will kill them; quickly. The only way you get to that point is to test your skills by traveling and demonstrating consistent success in tough environments.
Turkeys will certainly throw you for a loop every once in a while but a killer will demonstrate resilience by adapting and overcoming. The only way to become a killer is to chase the s.h.i.t. out of turkeys far and wide and constantly critique your strengths and weaknesses in order to improve your harvest numbers.
I guess I should have clarified my statement a bit more. I was referring mainly to us mere mortals in my comment about confidence only taking someone so far. I, naturally, should have excluded those of you that have a big red "S" on your chests. I have always wondered how you guys keep it hidden when all those gobblers come running to your calls. Then again, I have never been very good at understanding the supernatural abilities that some folks claim to have.
;D :toothy12: :toothy9: :newmascot: :newmascot: :newmascot: :newmascot: :toothy9: :toothy12: ;D
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Pick some public wherever you like and you let us know, gobblenut.
I agree with Vaturkstomper 100% to a tee. Turkeys are turkeys regardless of where they live and if you think for a second you may not be able to call the gobbler to you because of pressure or whatever other excuse you need to make yourself feel better then you are probably right.
And another thing the turkey does not hold the cards in this game, the hunter does. The only way the turkey holds the cards is if you make the mistake of letting him. You dictate to the turkey. If the turkey is in control you have lost the battle already. And you don't need a "S" on your chest to consistently get it done on these birds but you better not have a big "L" on your chest because if you lack confidence and allow the turkey to have the cards and dictate to you then you will lose. The hunter controls the turkey not the other way around. You have to be in the "zone" that confident killing zone where the gobbler has no choice. If you give him a choice he may not come.
Fortunately, I have no weaknesses in my turkey hunting. If I hear him clear his throat, he is taking a truck ride with me. Rivers, roads, fences, swamps, creeks, mountains - none are impediments to my calling skills and woodsmanship.
Oh sorry, thought we were measuring pee pees.
Mostly mine is second guessing myself. During the setup, deciding what bird to hunt, should I stay where he heard me for 30 more minutes, or is he gone for the day, etc. Turkey hunting is fun to me. One of my several hobbies and sometimes, late in the season, I put too much pressure on myself to kill a bird. As I get older, with all my outdoor pursuits, I get better at enjoying the process. I quit deer hunting because I felt like a buzzard sitting in a tree waiting for something to die. With turkeys, I enjoy the hunt. The purpose of the hunt is to take a turkey, but I enjoy my days a lot more as I learn that. Don't expect to see me on YouSpace selling my Whackem and Stackem products either. I just like the hunt.
Wondering if the calls I didn't bring would have worked better than the ones I did bring!
I'm always 2nd guessing myself on that one.
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Public, private. It doesn't matter. The guy who is an expert with his calls, knows turkeys, understands set-ups and has the confidence to believe that the bird he's after is about to fly down from his final roost is not delusional. It's about knowing you're a killer and having a killer mindset.
My brother, for example, has killed on public land in Florida (on a non-quota WMA), California, and Oregon so far this spring. Additionally he's punched tags in Tennessee on private and here in Virginia, as well.
Last year was public land birds in Montana, Idaho and Washington. The bird he killed in Washington was banded as a mature gobbler 7 years ago. That's at the minimum a 9 year old turkey.
Not only does he know he's going to find turkeys, but he knows he's going to kill them.
I fee the same way he does. I will find turkeys and I will kill them; quickly. The only way you get to that point is to test your skills by traveling and demonstrating consistent success in tough environments.
Turkeys will certainly throw you for a loop every once in a while but a killer will demonstrate resilience by adapting and overcoming. The only way to become a killer is to chase the s.h.i.t. out of turkeys far and wide and constantly critique your strengths and weaknesses in order to improve your harvest numbers.
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And your weakness is????
^^^Modesty.
I tend to agree with him for the most part, but the delivery was lacking.
I have killed ducks and geese in Fl, Georgia, Miss, Missouri and Canada. A lot of them. I still learn every year. And I still have weaknesses.
I also am dang good at my job. Been doing it 26 years and I learn something new all the time.
Admitting a weakness, or second guessing yourself is not the same as lacking confidence, nor does it mean you lack skills. But some people don't grasp that deep.
Calling to aggressive and patience.
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Well I was going to to go with not being patient enough, but apparently it's because I share the same home state as VAturkeystomper and his brother. I guess I need to get into that "killer mindset" and do it "quickly"; quicker than those two anyway.
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I dont know what some of you guys success rates are, but Ill say this.
These birds arent rocket scientists. Anyone with a decent set of skills, plenty of time, and the willingness to keep after it can fill tags. Improving in any one area is a great goal, but improving into say a great caller and just adding that to doing the same thing in the same places that isn't already resulting in dead birds won't improve your odds by much. Becoming more patient in a location that isnt good for more than one bird per season won't fill that second tag.
I'd suggest that there are two things (at least) that could help everyone improve
A better understanding of turkey behavior.
A willingness to not give up.
In addition to those, if I could improve on anything it would be more time and money to hunt more often and more places. I have the wrong job.... :) ..I need a job that gives me the following months off:
April, May, September- December. I really need a reverse teacher's schedule with at least 4 times the pay to cover my travels.
I dont need big ranches or outfitted hunts. I just want plenty of time and big parcels of public land to keep after them.
My biggest weakness is my calling.. I spend more of my time scouting birds and figuring out where they WANT to be. They are WAY easier to call in if you are already where they want to be or go which requires less calling on your part to get them in range. Using trail cams on field scan mode is awesome for fields and or strut zones to give you great intel.
Run and gun is way more fun but there is definitely a time and place for "deer hunting" turkeys if you want to fill tags
Pre season scouting. Need to do more on those places that hold those older birds. I also need to be more patient when I don't have my eye's on him.
Quote from: silvestris on April 25, 2016, 08:54:32 PM
Not being as good a student of the flora as I could have been. Find the preferred flora and you find the birds.
Can you elaborate on this?
Quote from: Gumby on April 26, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
Public, private. It doesn't matter. The guy who is an expert with his calls, knows turkeys, understands set-ups and has the confidence to believe that the bird he's after is about to fly down from his final roost is not delusional. It's about knowing you're a killer and having a killer mindset.
My brother, for example, has killed on public land in Florida (on a non-quota WMA), California, and Oregon so far this spring. Additionally he's punched tags in Tennessee on private and here in Virginia, as well.
Last year was public land birds in Montana, Idaho and Washington. The bird he killed in Washington was banded as a mature gobbler 7 years ago. That's at the minimum a 9 year old turkey.
Not only does he know he's going to find turkeys, but he knows he's going to kill them.
I fee the same way he does. I will find turkeys and I will kill them; quickly. The only way you get to that point is to test your skills by traveling and demonstrating consistent success in tough environments.
Turkeys will certainly throw you for a loop every once in a while but a killer will demonstrate resilience by adapting and overcoming. The only way to become a killer is to chase the s.h.i.t. out of turkeys far and wide and constantly critique your strengths and weaknesses in order to improve your harvest numbers.
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And your weakness is????
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Last Monday in Kentucky I crawled within 60 yards of a gobbler who was revealing his location every 2 minutes or so on the ground. I chose a tree with better concealment than shoot-ability. I also quietly 4 note yelped instead of giving an almost inaudible cluck.
The bird was at 35 yards in 30 seconds after I made contact. He came in looking hard and had me pinpointed because the 4 note yelp was too much. If I'd trusted my camo a little more I would've picked a tree 6 feet away that had better shooting on the runway I anticipated he would use for his approach. If I'd only given him a cluck he would've walked around more looking for where the call came from instead of starting to leave after 60 seconds of intense scrutiny. I missed him at 40 on the egress. I made two poor decisions that cost me that bird.
If I'd taken the other tree I would've had him dead to rights where he stood, which was already in the exact area I expected him to approach through.
If I'd only clucked or scratched in the leaves it's likely he would've taken the 2 more steps I needed for a truly clean shot because he wouldn't have been as certain of exactly where the call came from.
I was furious at myself after I missed that bird because the reasons were so flagrant and I deviated from my normal behavior in that particular scenario for some unknown reason.
I got home late Monday nite from Kentucky and was back in the VA timber Tuesday morning. I encountered an almost identical scenario. I couldn't get ideal position off the roost so I let the birds fly down to determine my next action.
They flew down below a ridge lip and were gobbling just enough to let me keep tabs on them. It took 25 minutes but I crawled to within 55 yards of that lip, clucked one time and then scratched in the leaves with my wing.
I shot that turkey 5 minutes later after he came in drumming and had to look harder than the bird the day before.
My weakness is that I'm a better float caller and guide than a solo hunter. 2 man turkey hunting is murder with 2 guys who are seasoned and analyze the unfolding events accurately. I want to control a bird's approach better than I do currently, in particular the bird that commits and then goes silent. I don't like it when a bird shows up and I think "why the hell is he there and how the hell did he get there," and where the weaknesses of my set-up were that allowed the bird to get in a position where I'm not going to be able to get my gun on him.
There are always areas where a turkey hunter can improve but the key to consistently killing and guiding turkeys is minimizing mistakes and accurately analyzing each situation as it presents itself.
Being reactive is part of turkey hunting but control is achieved once you're in the spot where you know you can kill him. Killing him, at that point, depends on a sequence of precisely executed decisions and clear judgement.
For some reason if public vs. private is mentioned in regards to turkey hunting a bunch of folks go off about turkeys being turkeys no matter the land. Well duh, you completely miss the point. Has nothing to do with the turkey, it's the pressure they are seeing. You pressure a turkey enough and they start looking for camo blobs when they hear hen calling. Generally speaking, you should have a better chance of knowing what pressure turkeys are seeing on private land you are hunting as opposed to public where anyone is subject to show up from another access point at anytime.
Any turkey who gobbles regularly should be a dead bird for any hunter worth his salt, even if it takes a little time, FACT.
I rely on my calling too much, I am a pretty good caller and thus think its the answer to all situations sometimes less is more but in the moment its tough.
patience is tough for me and when nothings gobbling keeping after it in a logical manner. I usually crack it up and try and make them gobble rather than slowing down and maybe sitting in good loafing areas
My primary weakness is my experience. I have plenty of years of experience hunting everything else, but this is only my 4th turkey season and I just got my first bird this year, so I have a lot to learn.
My calling is passable with diaphragm, box, and slate calls as evidenced by the tom I called in and blasted last week, but I'm a far cry from being an expert and if I was working a tough bird, I'm sure my calling would be inadequate.
Last, but not least is my scouting. I live over an hour away from where I hunt and with two small kids it's not easy to get away without the wife getting all huffy and puffy. I brought my 4 year old out scouting with me the weekend before the season opened this year and he got to see a giant tom strutting at about 25 yards away. Too bad that bird never came into the area during the season.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 26, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
Fortunately, I have no weaknesses in my turkey hunting. If I hear him clear his throat, he is taking a truck ride with me. Rivers, roads, fences, swamps, creeks, mountains - none are impediments to my calling skills and woodsmanship.
:TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Yeah,....me too! I can also leap tall buildings in a single bound and bend steel with my bare hands.
...Unfortunately, then I wake up and reality sets in.
In the meantime, since nobody can prove otherwise,...I am just summarily declaring myself to be the best of all time,...anytime,..anywhere. :toothy9:
My #1 weakness is that warm, cozy bed at 4 a.m. after going to bed early at 9 p.m. and then tossing/turning for a couple of hours before finally going to sleep, if I'm lucky. At least one of the birds I got this season resulted in me forcing myself back out of bed after only two hours of sleep. Fortunately, it was only a 30 minute drive to my hunting spot and by 6:30 a.m. I was headed back home with a gobbler in hand.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 27, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: g8rvet on April 26, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
Fortunately, I have no weaknesses in my turkey hunting. If I hear him clear his throat, he is taking a truck ride with me. Rivers, roads, fences, swamps, creeks, mountains - none are impediments to my calling skills and woodsmanship.
:TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Yeah,....me too! I can also leap tall buildings in a single bound and bend steel with my bare hands.
...Unfortunately, then I wake up and reality sets in.
In the meantime, since nobody can prove otherwise,...I am just summarily declaring myself to be the best of all time,...anytime,..anywhere. :toothy9:
I dunno, killing a tom turkey always makes me feel like a super hero...but I gotta say, killing a turkey that gobbles regularly every two minutes has got to be one of the less complicated parts of the game. Few of those survive very long.
Quote from: TRG3 on April 27, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
My #1 weakness is that warm, cozy bed at 4 a.m.
I hear you. That's my major weakness as well.
There is no such thing as call shy it does not exist and never has. A gobbler that was shy of a good hen sound would lead a lonely life. I don't care how much or how hard a turkey has been pressured if he comes to your hen calls he is most definitely NOT looking for a camo blob-FACT. He is looking for the hen he heard.
Sure he is looking for a hen if he comes. If a tom hears hunter's hen calls day in and day out coming from a public land log road access, comes to investigate a couple times to see camo clad blobs, maybe gets shot at even and sprayed, then he might just start ignoring hen calls from that spot altogether. Maybe not gobble at them or come to investigate. Step off said log road and call from a different area, maybe a little softer and less and he might just gobble every step to you. Glad to keep discussing if you want to.
And call shy is a fact. You can condition any animal to react negatively based upon what it hears.
Quote from: TRG3 on April 27, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
My #1 weakness is that warm, cozy bed at 4 a.m. after going to bed early at 9 p.m.
I hear you on the 4am part, but you lost me at 9pm. How can you drink beer with the guys until midnight if you go to bed at 9pm?
Which brings me to another weakness of mine: Dozing off in the blind.
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 27, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
There is no such thing as call shy it does not exist and never has. A gobbler that was shy of a good hen sound would lead a lonely life. I don't care how much or how hard a turkey has been pressured if he comes to your hen calls he is most definitely NOT looking for a camo blob-FACT. He is looking for the hen he heard.
I agree with this 100%. Not wishing to put words in your mouth, but where we might differ is heavy hunting pressure can have a definite impact on the behavior of birds. That said, it's no different than a private place with a high number of turkey predators. Every close brush with a predator has an impact on their behavior. A few brushes per day are simply part of turkey routine. Increase them, and things change a bit. A pack of dogs ranging a farm can shut the ground gobbling down just as well as a dozen nimrods blowing through birds. Same with other predators.
That said, gobblers and hens are still trying to find each other and do their thing. Every one of them can be killed if you play the game right, and even a hot two-year-old can get the better of you if you don't. If I can get to a gobbler (property lines or impossible natural barriers come to mind) I believe I can kill it. Obviously it doesn't always happen. Seems like some seasons I can do no wrong and others I have runs where I do no right. I've reached a point now though where I can usually quickly get out of a rut.
Now, I do hate public land because it irks me to deal with others in the woods. I'd much rather a bobcat or coyote bust my hunt than another hunter. I don't begrudge others being there, but it just lessens the experience for me.
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 27, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
Not wishing to put words in your mouth, but where we might differ is heavy hunting pressure can have a definite impact on the behavior of birds.
And most folks use "call shy" as a term to describe it. ;D
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 27, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
Not wishing to put words in your mouth, but where we might differ is heavy hunting pressure can have a definite impact on the behavior of birds.
And most folks use "call shy" as a term to describe it. ;D
Okay, but it would be a misnomer since it has nothing to do with calling. It's a conditioning to excessive pressure where the birds become more quiet and less aggressive in their movements.
We could all be more patient working a Gobbler we haven't seen nor heard .
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 27, 2016, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 27, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
Not wishing to put words in your mouth, but where we might differ is heavy hunting pressure can have a definite impact on the behavior of birds.
And most folks use "call shy" as a term to describe it. ;D
Okay, but it would be a misnomer since it has nothing to do with calling. It's a conditioning to excessive pressure where the birds become more quiet and less aggressive in their movements.
I don't see how you can separate it out from hunting pressure since calling is so much a part of turkey hunting. I can put you on a field turkey today that will go straight away from calls from any member on this board, sight unseen. Most times though, folks blame a turkey as call shy when it's simply a subordinate tom, henned up or otherwise preoccupied, not answering or coming.
And to get back on topic, I suffer from yanked triggers as a weakness once in a while. Probably a carry over from target panic from too much bow shooting over the years. Raises it's ugly head once in a while with no rhyme or reason. Would trade that one for any other mentioned here in a heartbeat.
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
I don't see how you can separate it out from hunting pressure since calling is so much a part of turkey hunting. I can put you on a field turkey today that will go straight away from calls from any member on this board, sight unseen. Most times though, folks blame a turkey as call shy when it's simply a subordinate tom, henned up or otherwise preoccupied, not answering or coming.
Because too many encounters with ANY predator causes the same thing. Humans happen to involve calls, but the bird behavior is the same no matter what predator is responsible. Too many encounters causes both gobblers and hens to get quiet, at least until they get a little time unmolested. In the hens case it's even more common the problem is four-legged predators.
A turkey with a few unmolested days behind him will be more vocal, and so will the hens in his neighborhood (and the latter is key when thinking of how we call). Usually that makes it easier to find a way to kill him. Obviously that's more likely on private land or unpressured public areas. It's also a heck of a lot more fun, but turkeys are still finding each other. It's up to us to figure out how. Often it's easier said than done.
Agree, get creative as season become later, start becoming more aggressive with your calling. This means put more excitement into your calling at the peak of breeding, when gobblers are with hens, calling more aggressive is needed to pull the gobbler away from the hens. Some people will say these birds are call shy and its time to tone it down. The opposite is true: What really happening is that hens are leading toms away from the sound of another hen. Challenging these hens to try and bring him along. People think it makes turkeys call shy that ridiculous, turkeys communicate by making turkey noises. If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate.
Definitely patience! I have very little but I'm working on it.
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
Greg,
You feel free to come on to SC and try the easterns here with calling harder as the season progresses for a few years on turkeys that are hunted and report back to me how your success rates stack up.
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
Greg,
You feel free to come on to SC and try the easterns here with calling harder as the season progresses for a few years on turkeys that are hunted and report back to me how your success rates stack up.
Right on the money. :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Quote from: lhprop1 on April 27, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: TRG3 on April 27, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
My #1 weakness is that warm, cozy bed at 4 a.m. after going to bed early at 9 p.m.
I hear you on the 4am part, but you lost me at 9pm. How can you drink beer with the guys until midnight if you go to bed at 9pm?
Which brings me to another weakness of mine: Dozing off in the blind.
Dozing off reminds me of a tom I took a couple of years ago around 9 a.m. after a short night of sleeping. I woke up from a sound slumber in my ground lounger to the sound of my Pretty Boy being taking a good whoppin' to which I awkwardly jerked my 870 to my shoulder and downed the gobbler as he was getting away as fast as possible.
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
Greg,
You feel free to come on to SC and try the easterns here with calling harder as the season progresses for a few years on turkeys that are hunted and report back to me how your success rates stack up.
I agree totally, I hunt only heavily pressured public land in north Florida, the louder, faster, harder approach definitely does not work here. I see several guys from different states here every year, who came down to hunt a few days and kill them an Osceola only to go away disappointed, some of them I have even told where to look for a bird that I scouted but haven't had a chance to hunt, most don't succeed.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 27, 2016, 05:19:31 PM
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
Greg,
You feel free to come on to SC and try the easterns here with calling harder as the season progresses for a few years on turkeys that are hunted and report back to me how your success rates stack up.
Right on the money. :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
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Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
Greg,
You feel free to come on to SC and try the easterns here with calling harder as the season progresses for a few years on turkeys that are hunted and report back to me how your success rates stack up.
Thanks for the offer but i'm still hunting in my home state, took another nice bird yesterday with aggressive calling. In any of your calling you have to be creative. I agree some birds are harder to hunt than others, good hunting on your SC birds.
Snoring :funnyturkey: I can be to aggressive at times. However...I am slowing down as I get older. :camohat:
In my state it's a Lottery Tag, if your not lucky in the first lottery then there is a over the counter sale its like a crap shoot, we have separate weeks A B C D E all separate Tags all priced at @$21 per zone. to me this lotto is my weakness no tags NO HUNTING!!!
My main weakness is often my schedule allowing very limited time during the week n I'm often w my kids or before them a friend who needed a bird called in.
Because of my short timeframe I sometimes push it to happen on my schedule which is not a good thing.
I have two turkey hunting weaknesses that I'll admit to;
1.) Not being able to consistently get away from work enough to find out what the turkeys are doing day to day. The more time you spend in the woods around turkeys, the easier it is to learn what's happening and where they are in the breeding phase. I would hunt every day of the season if I could.
2.) I hunt small pieces of land like I expect turkeys to be there all the time. I know better, but that doesn't stop me from going to low populated areas and hunt like it is some of the densest turkey woods in the state. I get a lot of experience hearing no gobbles, but persistence and patience pays some of the time. Most often, I leave the woods disappointed. That small land is all I have close to the house, so I give it my best shot. So far this season I have had exactly one (mature) turkey gobble on the same property I was hunting, but he came home with me. I've called up jakes, but they will always get a free pass from me.
Jim
i have a couple of weaknesses. 1 being pateint and letting the bird work i actually busted a hunt on a big old tom today. 2 watching a tom work away from you and not being able to do anything about it.
Quote from: THattaway on April 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Bill,
How you can believe that a turkey will go quiet when molested but you can't believe that they can be imprinted to connect sounds (calls) to the molester. You do realize turkeys can recognize other individual turkey's calls don't you? Have you ever witnessed two broods and hens separate? Then if that's the case don't you think a turkey can be imprinted with calling from those "dozen nimrods blowing through birds" you mentioned earlier who might hammer the same spot repeatedly throughout the season? Don't just take things I've said here out of context. Still seeing "If they were afraid of turkey sounds, they would never mate" while that has never been claimed. Cracks me up. Why do folks assume anyone who mentions "Call shy" never killed a turkey, can't call, can't hunt, has no woodsmanship skills, can't understand turkey habits, etc. etc. I raised far stupider domestic turkeys as a kid and witnessed first hand negative behavior related to calling. There are and will always be a few animals who've experienced enough hunting pressure to live to see a ripe old natural death. I've ranted enough on that subject so I will stop but I will say one thing further. Don't anyone tell me it's a fact a turkey cannot become call shy unless you are a turkey yourself.
I believe we are arguing semantics. I don't believe birds get "call shy." I believe they adapt to pressure. Obviously if the same calling, and especially from the same location/s, results in negative encounters, they will avoid that calling and location. Change the calling and get in a location they are comfortable approaching and you have a different outcome. In my opinion, that isn't call shy. When pressure is great enough to impact hen vocalizations, it would obviously behoove a hunter to adapt and behave as the real hens there do. They aren't silent, but they aren't running around the woods cutting and throwing out loud assembly yelps. They simply respond to that pressure and avoid behavior associated with negative encounters.
Duck hunters are famous for throwing out "call shy." It's a misnomer. When they are "call shy," they are also blind shy, decoy shy, levee shy, hole shy and a host of others. Adjust, get where they feel comfortable going and they'll work a call. They're really everything shy because they are responding to pressure. Adjust, and they still act like ducks. It's the same with turkeys.
Yes, intense pressure (whether from hunters or other predators) makes turkeys more difficult to hunt. I suppose I just take the meaning of words too seriously. I used to use the term "call shy" all the time. Over the years I've come to believe it isn't accurate. That belief has paid off handsomely.
For me it's lack of patience. I get busted a few times a year moving in on birds that sound like they're hung up. Over the years though I've also killed several gobblers that were hung by moving in on them.
I also know that I call too much, and probably too loud too. ;D
QuoteDuck hunters are famous for throwing out "call shy." It's a misnomer. When they are "call shy," they are also blind shy, decoy shy, levee shy, hole shy and a host of others. Adjust, get where they feel comfortable going and they'll work a call. They're really everything shy because they are responding to pressure. Adjust, and they still act like ducks. It's the same with turkeys.
Great example. When the birds are "local" birds, meaning they have been there a while, they have seen the setups, heard the calls and are pretty wary. Let a huge temp drop occur (assuming they are in the middle of the flyway) and all those same ducks are triggered to feed and will dive bomb your spread. Same ducks, same locations, different impetus to feed. Move those ducks down the flyway to a new location and they respond to calling like any other duck. Duck hunters in Manitoba don't call any different than duck callers in MS. The calls don't change, the location and pressure to feed changes and they act like ducks.
The phenomenon is real, but in most cases, it is only partially, if at all, linked to the actual calling. Henned up and call shy are the two best friends of an empty handed turkey hunter. Often, they are not accurate. There are lots of potential reasons why.
Mine would be going to much according to my wife.
Calling too much and not knowing how to get a bird that is roosted inside of 100 yards to fly down and come to me and not go the other way.
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It used to be patience but I've slowed down and learned to enjoy the journey
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Quote from: Spurs on April 25, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Confidence/over thinking
I loose confidence in my setups and calling too easily. Sometimes I move to 3-4 different trees before I finally get settled in.
My calling skills in practice are good, but I often get the jitters when I have a working bird and I sound like a hen that has been smoking cowboy killers her whole life.
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I'm with Spurs...setting up and resetting up and resetting up...sheesh.
Calling too fast when excited
For me, first it's knowing when to stay put and when to make a move. I tend to get antsy after 30-45 minutes, and get the mentality to "go make something happen". Other times I'll have the confidence to sit for 2 hours in one spot sparingly calling to no avail.
Second, I would say losing my know how and questioning myself when they aren't talking but I know they're in the relatively area (within a quarter mile) of my location. Getting a lot better at this though as I encounter it more and more.
I have one (well I have many of the ones already mentioned) but the one that drives me crazy, I have not heard anyone else mention.
I cannot hear a turkey drumming. It's just a frequency that I cannot hear. I've had birds at 20 yards and I know good and well they are drumming by their body language. Can't tell you how many times I've been hunting with friends or family and when the hunt is over I get the ole "man he was drumming his a$$ off".
I FEEL LIKE I AM GETTING CHEATED.
Makes it really difficult for me to hunt birds that are not vocal. Particularly afternoon hunts, when I just go into an area where I know there are turkeys and do some soft calling. I often wonder how many birds I have spooked, that were standing out there drumming and I never knew it.
Tremendous weakness as far as I am concerned.