Is any one else seeing consistency variances with these shells? Here's one example from last weekend's patterning session. Turlock Fed.HW #7 choke. First shot,170 second shot, 148 Third shot,75. And that wasn't a miss print that's was 75. I have a had very similar results from 3 other chokes.
I forgot to add that I was shooting at 32x32 paper and circling the densest part of the pattern. All shot were at a measured 40yds.
Did u clean in between shots? If not I'd say the inconsistency is coming from a dirty barrel.
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I too have seen the biggest issue with these shells being dirty barrels. IMO these shells leave a dirtier barrel than most
Quote from: turkey buster on April 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
I too have seen the biggest issue with these shells being dirty barrels. IMO these shells leave a dirtier barrel than most
They do. You run a patch after a shot and it comes out black with crud all over it.
I have seen some big variations as well. Even my most consistent choke out of my 870 Youth, the Carlsons .575 has dropped off into the 110's a couple times. But usually shoots from 140-157 range.
I have had them go everywhere
from a low of 100 to a high of 176
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The first few rounds of patterning I bore snaked between shots, I always cleaned it when I switched chokes. Did you Bronz brush with some type solvent, then dry patch till it was clean, then shoot again?
For whatever reason chokes also seem to need breaking in to some extent. The ones that start out good usually stay good or get better or more consistent.
It would not hurt a thing to shoot a box of field load shells first and then clean the choke before patterning it with turkey loads.
I usually deep clean before patterning and then bore snake between every shot. Stays pretty consistent.
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shot them for the first time this weekend went shot at great 25yd pattern, bore snaked got 157 @ 40, cleaned with a single patch followed by bore snake got 175, did nothing and got a horrible pattern less than 100. I'll keep a clean barrel with these going forward.
I have to keep a clean barrel myself. If I let it get dirty it goes to around 100 in the 10"
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I usually bore snake between rounds but the other day I thought I would try one through a dirty bore and got the best pellet count so far. Go figure. It was on the 3rd shot after trying a #6 Federal Flight Control, then a Seven that got in the 120's, then the third shot with the 7's and got 167.
I have only shot 5 of these shells so far and get 120's to 160's.
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Does it help to just shoot a target load shell to help clean the barrel after shooting one of those Fed hw 7 ?
you guys that are cleaning between each shot are you doing a full cleaning job with solvent bronz brush, dry patch, ? amd do clean the choke also? I'm thinking my gun is one of those that like's to be squeaky clean.
Quote from: nyhunter on April 20, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
you guys that are cleaning between each shot are you doing a full cleaning job with solvent bronz brush, dry patch, ? amd do clean the choke also? I'm thinking my gun is one of those that like's to be squeaky clean.
what i've done in the past is a dry bore snake between each shot and every 3rd I run a single patch or maybe 2 of rubbing alcohol then the bore snake. the alcohol cleans up the major stuff and drys quick.
I'll check back to see what others say though.
Good advice and info on this post. What OG should be about!!
Are you just trying to get the best numbers with these shells, what about the holes in the pattern that's what i look for the most. I want the circle covered with shot. I don't really care so much about the numbers..i want the POI to be dead on .. i don't use a dot for sighting, i use a turkey head target with a circle around the turkey head.. i want my numbers in that head i guess is what i'm saying with no hole's around the turkey head. I put a small one inch circle middle way of the turkey target neck..But i'm using a scope on mine..
In my 870 a boresnake between shots helps, but not much. Long ribbons of plastic residue from the wad comes out in piles. For best results my gun must be kept squeaky clean between shots. A bronze brush and denatured alcohol does the best job. Also, make sure the bore is completely dry with patches after scrubbing. Any residue from anything left in the bore kills my pattern.
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I totally agree I want no holes in my pattern either , as I shoot and the bore gets dirty the holes seem to get bigger and more of them.
Bowbender, so use the denture Alcohol instead of a solvent like Hoppies?
Go Figure. I have an Affinity and a Carlsons .575. I get my best count and pattern with a dirty barrel.
^^ Yes ^^
Its a tip I picked up from Del (Savduck). The alcohol disolves the plastic and then totally dries without any residue. I can see a difference in pattern density and evenness if I use other chemicals.
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Quote from: BowBendr on April 20, 2016, 01:59:03 PM
^^ Yes ^^
Its a tip I picked up from Del (Savduck). The alcohol disolves the plastic and then totally dries without any residue. I can see a difference in pattern density and evenness if I use other chemicals.
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what kind of denature alcohol and were can i get it...
^^ Home Depot ^^
I get it there because I work there....I'm sure it can be found cheaper.
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Quote from: BowBendr on April 20, 2016, 05:46:50 PM
^^ Home Depot ^^
I get it there because I work there....I'm sure it can be found cheaper.
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thanks
don't get me wrong, I really like this ammo and it shoots GREAT in my 21" 870 BUT, this inconsistency problem with folks should not exist. For the price of this ammo it should perform flawless with a clean or mildly dirty barrel. I know how a really dirty barrel can affect patterns but DANG, cleaning between every shot just so you can keep an even pattern is a bit much. when I tested it I ran a brush and swab thru the barrel after every 3rd shot and everything worked good for me. really sorry to hear folks having problems. maybe a call to Federal would shine some light on the problem.
jus my 2cts
I rarely clean between shots. Now, I didn't count the numbers but at 40 yards from my 20 ga 11-87, it's more the adequate. I'm betting near the 180's with a pure gold .555 choke. Heck, with my 835 and the TSS, my patterns have improved as the barrel gets dirtier. It will eventually hit the point of diminishing return but until then, I'm not touching it.
I was wondering about consistency today myself. I also have a Trulock for hw7 and did some patterning today with the 20ga for the first time. I started with a brushed and clean barrel and dry patched 3-4 times between shots. 1st shot was 134, second was 184, third was 78, fourth 101, fifth 126. I shot from a rifle rest. I noticed while dry patching between shots that a lot of "skin like" pieces of plastic coming out and sticking to the inside of the barrel. Maybe the plastic residue is causing inconsistencies?
I shot 147 today and ran the soft brush through it 5-6 times and got 118. Ran a bore snake and then a dab of hopps on a cleaning patch and ran 7-8 dry patches and shot 144. U have to really get that thing clean or it drops a lot. I mean for a one shot kill it's not bad but if you needed follow up shots it falls apart
Quote from: RAJ on April 19, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
For whatever reason chokes also seem to need breaking in to some extent. The ones that start out good usually stay good or get better or more consistent.
It would not hurt a thing to shoot a box of field load shells first and then clean the choke before patterning it with turkey loads.
This^^^^^^
My SSX shoots better and better the more shells she eats!
Quote from: turkey buster on April 22, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
I shot 147 today and ran the soft brush through it 5-6 times and got 118. Ran a bore snake and then a dab of hopps on a cleaning patch and ran 7-8 dry patches and shot 144. U have to really get that thing clean or it drops a lot. I mean for a one shot kill it's not bad but if you needed follow up shots it falls apart
This has been my experience as well. I shoot a 148 and on the 6th shot with no cleaning, I got 103. Cleaned it and went hunting again.