A SAD DAY IN AMERICA WE ARE LOSING OUR COUNTY TOO GAY'S AND LESBIANS....HOW DO WE RAISE OUR CHILDREN? THESE PEOPLE NEED TOOOO READ THE BIBLE
We are heading for a fall. That should come as a surprise to no one tho.
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God Bless America, for as long as she can last.
While I have religious convictions over the ruling it is also about the Feds stomping on state's rights. This is not over.
Take down your flag, put God in the closet and put on your pink panties.
Not sure how long it will take, but all this will come to a head one day in the future.
Sickening.....
this country is on a freefall. its very sad. if you are a Christian you already know that all of this has been written in the bible. we are living in the end times. it really surprises me that people cannot see this. the bad part is that our elected officials do not speak out for the people. on the confederate flag issue , its sickening at how fast all the governors jumped on the removal of the flag. I believe that this was used as a smoke screen to slip the trade act through. our rights and beliefs are steadily being striped away and no one stands up to the politcians who are striping them away. one example , the state of ms had a vote on the removal of the confederate flag in 2001. it was voted to be kept as is with a 2 to 1 vote. 14 years later , governor just decides to remove it because he feels it needs to be done. does not matter what the people voted. rant over
Good to see some guys read the bible. It is a bad day.
Reminds me of a line from a Casting Crowns song; Save the trees and Kill the children". It's a shame that the minority ultra-liberals are in positions of power.
Quote from: davisd9 on June 26, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
While I have religious convictions over the ruling it is also about the Feds stomping on state's rights. This is not over.
Socialism at its finest. If he could he would have a national police department under federal control. Just like health care. Under one the almighty obama. I saw the anti police sediment he was creating about a year before he was elected. As a law officer I can't tell you how many times before he was elected I was reminded in public or in cell blocks by certain individuals how thiings were going to change. Free health care, free college free phones and free cars. He has stoked race relations in a negative way more than any other politician I've seen. He attends the funeral of a pastor who no doubt is a man of God and good faith but doesn't attend the funerals of two NYPD Officers killed in the line of duty, he is the chief law enforcement officer of the country. This gay marriage effects very little but I believe it's a way of throwing the country's attention away from something more serious.
Please remove this thread.
Who cares...
I asked someone that is very Religious that voted for him. What do you think about your perfect union now? No reply. Going to Hell quick.........
Quote from: Jobugg12 on June 26, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
I asked someone that is very Religious that voted for him. What do you think about your perfect union now? No reply. Going to Hell quick.........
I would question anyone who voted for someone that is for homosexuality or abortion on whether they are religious or a believer as there is a huge difference, as I am sure you know.
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I told my wife months ago this is what the decision would be. I'm not surprised. Honestly, as a secular country, I see no way they could deny gays the same rights as heterosexuals.
But I think the churches should move quickly to have these labeled as civil unions, and clarify that marriage only occurs when done by ministers under the auspices of the church.
I realize that opens a whole new can of worms as to who and what constitutes a church, but mainstream religions should act quickly.
And I sincerely pray that churches not be required to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples if they disagree with it in principle.
What are we going to do here on Old Gobbler when the IFTA kicks in ?
It will become illegal to even mention guns or ammo online since the inter-webs are international. He has already signed onto it, the UN is making plans to implement it as we speak. In the chaos of Ferguson and Baltimore, everybody forgot about this one.
This would effectively shut sites like OG down, unless you want to just sit around and talk about turkey calls and yesterday......
It would be my educated guess that you will see all forms of hunting outlawed in 10 years or less. There is no law any more and the SCOTUS is changing the wording of the laws from the bench. I am afraid America is gone. I worry most for my 4 yr old daughter...
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The Supreme Court overstepped its authority. And whatever happened to Democracy? This is something that should be on a voting ballot to be decided by the American public
Sickening !!!
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
It shouldn't need to be removed. Not many gay turkey hunters on here. Gives me something to read to while I sit here in my pink panties
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
Please remove these two from O.G. for wanting to suppress others opinions.
Quote from: Go G.W. on June 27, 2015, 03:42:10 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
Please remove these two from O.G. for wanting to suppress others opinions.
Let's see here. My comment that I do not think this thread is appropriate for a turkey hunting forum is MY Opinion, yet you want to "remove" me for thinking my intent is to suppress others opinions? Perhaps you can rationally explain that to me,...but I doubt it. You want to give it a try?... ??? ;D
We discuss a lot of off topic issues here so I don't think it's wrong. I do hope it stays civil. I realize my beliefs may differ from others and while I'm dismayed by the decision, I respect others who may disagree.
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
I agree, discussions on these topics never end well.
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Go G.W. on June 27, 2015, 03:42:10 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 27, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Halfski on June 26, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Please remove this thread.
I agree. This discussion does not belong on a turkey hunting forum. All these kinds of topics do is cause hard feelings between people that share a common bond in our passion for this great game bird.
Please remove these two from O.G. for wanting to suppress others opinions.
Let's see here. My comment that I do not think this thread is appropriate for a turkey hunting forum is MY Opinion, yet you want to "remove" me for thinking my intent is to suppress others opinions? Perhaps you can rationally explain that to me,...but I doubt it. You want to give it a try?... ??? ;D
If your only point was that it didn't belong on a turkey forum I could understand; but is that the only reason for saying remove it?
As stated by others, there are many topics other than turkey hunting posted on the forum, especially since pretty much all turkey seasons are over. So if your only reason for removal was to keep things civil I would concede that point.
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Jesus is my law
He wasn't elected by some morally bankrupt sinners and politicians - these false views will never be accepted by any religious body or me ever
To be truthful, I guess I don't consider it my business how anyone else chooses to live their life. I have enough trouble keeping myself out of trouble and on the "right" track. That said, it is a little unsettling that the White House lights "rainbow" lights and current political correctness considers me a non entity. Anything can be said about "old, conservative white men" and nobody raises an eyebrow. If I mention that a woman looks nice, I'm sexist. If I say anything at all against or about a black Pres., I'm racist, regardless of the facts surrounding. If I have an issue with someone whose religion is protected by the speech police, I'm Islamophobic. If I disagree with someones life style, I'm homophobic...
Anything can be said about old folks/white men/men in general/fat people/conservatives/gun owners...I'm just so weary of being told how I should speak/think/act. And I'm tired of being expected to just grin and bear it when someone says something that pisses me off, yet I should be hyper sensitive to not offend others.
I just feel like, "Leave me the frig alone and stop criticizing everything I do and say!!!"
Jesus came to Earth and preached of love. Because of that, even though I don't understand the gay lifestyle, I will not hate gay people. Having said that, I am a little confused.
Genesis 1:28
"God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number"
For the gay folks, just how's that gonna work?
Myself, I have accepted that my country has left me. I am a forced citizen of the United States with no other place to go (certainly nowhere that has Eastern Wild Turkeys). I will pay my taxes and "obey" the laws, not out of respect, but out of fear of the consequences should I fail to "obey". I shall never again recite the pledge or stand with hand over heart to sing. Let the Balkinization begin.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
Quote from: guesswho on June 26, 2015, 02:32:56 PM
Take down your flag, put God in the closet and put on your pink panties.
Not sure how long it will take, but all this will come to a head one day in the future.
What do u call a lesbain dinosaur?
Lickalottapus
Ok, let me get this straight (no pun intended).
I can't take my Wife or Grand kid's to a store and buy a Confederate Flag license plate for the front of my hunting truck or any Dukes Of Hazard toy's with a Confederate Flag on it. I can't even fly a Confederate flag at a NASCAR race. But I could go and have Willy removed, change my name from Ronnie to Rhonda and become a role model and stand a chance of getting my own "reality" show. And a man can marry another man, or a woman can marry another woman, and they can go adopt a baby! And some people consider this progress?
Quote from: misfire on June 27, 2015, 06:40:32 AM
The Supreme Court overstepped its authority. And whatever happened to Democracy? This is something that should be on a voting ballot to be decided by the American public
This! And it was voted on in many states not long ago, and most states voted to not allow it! The thought of where our country is headed and the thought of how corrupt our government is makes me sick, almost as sick as the thought of a gay couple...
As the song goes,..."The times, they are a'changin'" ladies and gentlemen. We can either accept that and adapt,...or we can grit our teeth, stick our heads in the sand, and suck it up until we choke on our old attitudes.
When I was young,...which was quite some time ago,...I used to drive around with my guns hanging in the gun rack of my pick-up. As I got older, I began to think,...."hmmm, those guns might be giving people the wrong idea of what I stand for".
Well, I still have my guns, and still do everything I used to do with them,...I just don't have them hanging on a rack where other people will see them and get the wrong idea about who I am because of them.
What I want others to know about me is that I am a responsible hunter, gun owner, and a responsible participant in our society in general,...and when I get the opportunity, I show them that that is who I am and what I stand for. But I do it without using symbols that, before I even say one word to them, makes them think that I stand for something that I do not. I will not ever again run around with my guns in a rack in my truck. Not because I no longer support gun ownership, but because I do not want the general public to jump to conclusions.
The moral of this story, for those of you that are still here following it, is that we, as hunters and gun owners, need to choose wisely what symbols and ideas we cling to as the world changes around us. To do otherwise only hurts ourselves in the long run.
End of sermon (for the moment)
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 29, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
When I was young,...which was quite some time ago,...I used to drive around with my guns hanging in the gun rack of my pick-up. As I got older, I began to think,...."hmmm, those guns might be giving people the wrong idea of what I stand for".
Well, I still have my guns, and still do everything I used to do with them,...I just don't have them hanging on a rack where other people will see them and get the wrong idea about who I am because of them.
You've convinced me. I like Women, but to avoid projecting that image I'm going to buy me a poodle and some bright colored spandex and start wearing lipstick. Oh, and I'm trading the Tundra in for a mini cooper! Going to put you on my mailing list too! I know you want pictures.
Quote from: guesswho on June 29, 2015, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 29, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
When I was young,...which was quite some time ago,...I used to drive around with my guns hanging in the gun rack of my pick-up. As I got older, I began to think,...."hmmm, those guns might be giving people the wrong idea of what I stand for".
Well, I still have my guns, and still do everything I used to do with them,...I just don't have them hanging on a rack where other people will see them and get the wrong idea about who I am because of them.
You've convinced me. I like Women, but to avoid projecting that image I'm going to buy me a poodle and some bright colored spandex and start wearing lipstick. Oh, and I'm trading the Tundra in for a mini cooper! Going to put you on my mailing list too! I know you want pictures.
:TooFunny:
Wonders never cease. The times they really are a'changin! ....And as for those pictures, please hurry them along,...can't wait to see them. As a matter of fact, you show me yours and I'll show you mine. .....Uhhh, that's another thing I used to say to the
women when I was younger. I've given up on that, too... :toothy12:
I haven't been watching the news. Did something happen?
Just in case you care you can go to Walmart and buy a cake to look like an IDIS flag but not a Confederate Flag.
Quote from: stinkpickle on June 29, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
I haven't been watching the news. Did something happen?
They found Elvis,--- I don't have the whole story either but I think he had a sex change and is .driving the Dukes of Hazard car (repainted Pink) in the next Nascar race
Quote from: Gooserbat on June 29, 2015, 12:52:51 PM
Just in case you care you can go to Walmart and buy a cake to look like an IDIS flag but not a Confederate Flag.
I saw that.
Quote from: crow on June 29, 2015, 01:31:12 PM
They found Elvis,--- I don't have the whole story either but I think he had a sex change and is .driving the Dukes of Hazard car (repainted Pink) in the next Nascar race
Yep, and sponsored by Froot Loops and Lucky Charms. Oh, and it's an electric car :icon_thumright:
Quote from: Gooserbat on June 29, 2015, 12:52:51 PM
Just in case you care you can go to Walmart and buy a cake to look like an IDIS flag but not a Confederate Flag.
you saw that garbage too huh.
It is a sad time for our country for sure. It seems that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being a straight white male, who carries a gun, believes in God, kills things to eat, stands with my hand over my heart for the national anthem, supports our troops, and believes everyone should earn what they get. Well I am not ashamed of who I am or what I believe and I refuse to hide it or apologize for it. I have always and will continue to speak my voice at the ballot box and hope that someday things will return to the way our fore fathers intended them to be.
Rant over....
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WOW THIS IS GETTING GOOD
I guess the next thing will be a person can marry a dog
Quote from: Buzzkiller on June 29, 2015, 10:32:23 PM
I guess the next thing will be a person can marry a dog
Legally, you can now. The case heard before the court was not to legalize gay marriage. It re-defined marriage, so you can marry whatever you want to. I myself prefer Dodge Dakotas...
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You know the saying: The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Wow , I could marry my dog and adopt her puppies and get maybe 3 grand a pup back on taxes. I could buy a whole lot of turkey calls with that dough.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 30, 2015, 08:13:59 AM
Wow , I could marry my dog and adopt her puppies and get maybe 3 grand a pup back on taxes. I could buy a whole lot of turkey calls with that dough.
Don't forget to take out huge life insurance policies on your newly adopted children. Couple Million in life insurance will buy more than just calls!!
I tried. The dang dog won't sign the contract.
Quote from: Greybeard11 on June 29, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
It is a sad time for our country for sure. It seems that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being a straight white male, who carries a gun, believes in God, kills things to eat, stands with my hand over my heart for the national anthem, supports our troops, and believes everyone should earn what they get. Well I am not ashamed of who I am or what I believe and I refuse to hide it or apologize for it. I have always and will continue to speak my voice at the ballot box and hope that someday things will return to the way our fore fathers intended them to be.
Rant over....
This!
Doesn't change anything for me. I have a gay cousin that married a dude 5 years ago. The world hasn't come crashing down. You live your life and I'll live mine.
Let me sound off....#1 I do not agree with the Supreme Court Justices....#2 I WILL NOT marry a same sex couple....#3 when I am sent to prison I will send everyone on here my address so you all can come and visit........pappy
Amen nativeks. there are bigger problems in the world
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Quote from: pappy on June 30, 2015, 05:08:19 PM
Let me sound off....#1 I do not agree with the Supreme Court Justices....#2 I WILL NOT marry a same sex couple....#3 when I am sent to prison I will send everyone on here my address so you all can come and visit........pappy
Pappy, I saw where a minister on another hunting forum said he would no longer sign marriage license or do weddings for people outside his church, and some close family of church members.
He will do a church wedding only, leaving it to the couple to get a marriage license and find someone to do a state recognized "marriage" to satisfy legal requirements of the various states and the federal govt.
I said some time back that we will likely see churches out of the "legality" business and doing church based marriages outside the system that requires marriage licenses.
Two ceremonies, one church based and another law based ceremony.
This is true. I have a buddy that is going thru this right now. His pastor will not sign the license and they have to go to the courthouse to make it legal
Obama , Bruce Jenner , Same sex marriage. I have reached a point in my life where
nothing I see or hear will surprise or shock me anymore.
We've had gay marriage in Iowa for a while. The sky has not fallen, nothing is different to me. I would be more concerned with the SC legislating from the bench, rather than the actual gay marriage issue.
We may have to do more gobbler yelping than a hen this turkey season to limit out
Quote from: Greybeard11 on June 29, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
It is a sad time for our country for sure. It seems that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being a straight white male, who carries a gun, believes in God, kills things to eat, stands with my hand over my heart for the national anthem, supports our troops, and believes everyone should earn what they get. Well I am not ashamed of who I am or what I believe and I refuse to hide it or apologize for it. I have always and will continue to speak my voice at the ballot box and hope that someday things will return to the way our fore fathers intended them to be.
Rant over....
'Merica
Even if you agree with this issue, it should concern you that the federal government is making these decisions for all of us without regard to state's, or individual rights to self government. There is no "we the people" in these decisions.
Quote from: Greybeard11 on July 02, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
Even if you agree with this issue, it should concern you that the federal government is making these decisions for all of us without regard to state's, or individual rights to self government. There is no "we the people" in these decisions.
This is more my concern
For arguments sake, Should our government force our religious beliefs on others? Please correct me if I am wrong, one core principle this country was founded on is freedom of religious oppression. For me to ask the US government to make my religion law would be Un-American to me.
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 03:03:16 PM
For arguments sake, Should our government force our religious beliefs on others? Please correct me if I am wrong, one core principle this country was founded on is freedom of religious oppression. For me to ask the US government to make my religion law would be Un-American to me.
The main argument on this vote is State's Rights and not religion, when it comes to how to constitution is read.
The supreme courts job is to uphold the constitution and not make laws. Too bad we do not have more Justices like Justice Thomas who reads the constitution as it is written and does not try to make out that it secretly means this.
Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 03:03:16 PM
For arguments sake, Should our government force our religious beliefs on others? Please correct me if I am wrong, one core principle this country was founded on is freedom of religious oppression. For me to ask the US government to make my religion law would be Un-American to me.
The main argument on this vote is State's Rights and not religion, when it comes to how to constitution is read.
The supreme courts job is to uphold the constitution and not make laws. Too bad we do not have more Justices like Justice Thomas who reads the constitution as it is written and does not try to make out that it secretly means this. :happy0064: :happy0064:
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
So what is your stance on the bakers that refuse to do a homosexual cake because of their freedom of religion and were sued to the point the business is about to fold? Should the baker's have the right to deny service on their unalienable right of freedom of religion or should they have been punished for their beliefs?
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Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
So what is your stance on the bakers that refuse to do a homosexual cake because of their freedom of religion and were sued to the point the business is about to fold? Should the baker's have the right to deny service on their unalienable right of freedom of religion or should they have been punished for their beliefs?
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Ironically, that falls within the context of state anti-discrimination laws.
Quote from: stinkpickle on July 02, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
So what is your stance on the bakers that refuse to do a homosexual cake because of their freedom of religion and were sued to the point the business is about to fold? Should the baker's have the right to deny service on their unalienable right of freedom of religion or should they have been punished for their beliefs?
Sent from the Strut Zone
Ironically, that falls within the context of state anti-discrimination laws.
So it falls down to, I can discriminate upon you but you cannot upon me because I am of a special group.
Should be the same down the board.
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Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: stinkpickle on July 02, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
So what is your stance on the bakers that refuse to do a homosexual cake because of their freedom of religion and were sued to the point the business is about to fold? Should the baker's have the right to deny service on their unalienable right of freedom of religion or should they have been punished for their beliefs?
Sent from the Strut Zone
Ironically, that falls within the context of state anti-discrimination laws.
So it falls down to, I can discriminate upon you but you cannot upon me because I am of a special group.
Should be the same down the board.
Sent from the Strut Zone
I guess it all depends on how you're categorized. Although technically, it would be against the law in many states to refuse service just because a person is a Christian, white male...but that's never really been an issue.
Quote from: stinkpickle on July 02, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: stinkpickle on July 02, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 02, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Rick Howard on July 02, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
I understand the purpose of all courts. I am well educated, a paralegal, and married to a lawyer (a female lol). I have yet to read the ruling but from what I have heard, the court did exactly what it was asked. It ruled on the constitutionality of state laws banning same sex marriage. Or was there more?
But, my original question was whether I should be imposing my religion on others. I often read the basis of people convictions against same sex marriage is their religion. I do not believe that I, or anyone else, has the right to ask the US government to force my religious beliefs on anyone.
I would rather people be free to do as they please, so long as it does not negatively impact others financially, physically, or way of life. The will of the majority should not infringe on the minority in these areas.
So what is your stance on the bakers that refuse to do a homosexual cake because of their freedom of religion and were sued to the point the business is about to fold? Should the baker's have the right to deny service on their unalienable right of freedom of religion or should they have been punished for their beliefs?
Sent from the Strut Zone
Ironically, that falls within the context of state anti-discrimination laws.
So it falls down to, I can discriminate upon you but you cannot upon me because I am of a special group.
Should be the same down the board.
Sent from the Strut Zone
I guess it all depends on how you're categorized. Although technically, it would be against the law in many states to refuse service just because a person is a Christian, white male...but that's never really been an issue.
Yes, you are correct.
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^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
To hell with the fags, dykes, and all that support them. Those justices would swing from a rope if it where up to me. ;) I'd run an extra rope for that treasonist, muslim basturd in the white house as well.
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:36-40 NKJV)
Love does not mean you agree with something a person does or a way a person lives but that you want the best for them at all cost.
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I Believe a business should be allowed to operate how it chooses so long as it does not negatively effect others finacially, physically, or prevent their way of life. So I would like for those bakers to have the choice to choose their customers.
Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: BowBendr on July 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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You could never be like me. I'm not afraid to offend those that need offending ;)We fly a Stars and Stripes over a Stainless Banner with a Bar at my house here in Tn., as well as back home in FL. I've got kin that have been killed in action for both. Black, white, yellow, race has nothing to do with it to me. When the highest court in the land becomes corrupted to the point of no return and refuses to uphold their constitutional duty to this country, I believe they should be tried and convicted of a treasonous act and put to death. Of course, this is just the opinion of this God fearing, red blooded, traditional American "Patriot". Did I mention to hell with the fags, dykes, and all those who support them. Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what state she is in :laugh:
Yep, you are correct. I could never be like you. I can articulate my position on politics and social issues without making us all look like what they claim we are. I am firm enough in my convictions to spread my message without calling people names or being vile.....
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Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: BowBendr on July 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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You could never be like me. I'm not afraid to offend those that need offending ;)We fly a Stars and Stripes over a Stainless Banner with a Bar at my house here in Tn., as well as back home in FL. I've got kin that have been killed in action for both. Black, white, yellow, race has nothing to do with it to me. When the highest court in the land becomes corrupted to the point of no return and refuses to uphold their constitutional duty to this country, I believe they should be tried and convicted of a treasonous act and put to death. Of course, this is just the opinion of this God fearing, red blooded, traditional American "Patriot". Did I mention to hell with the fags, dykes, and all those who support them. Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what state she is in :laugh:
Please do not use God fearing and hate spewing in the same sentence. That is why it is difficult enough to witness to those that need it.
This is what makes America the greatest country. One has the total right and freedom to be a Jack. For me, I choose John 15:12.
Quote from: dejake on July 03, 2015, 08:04:12 AM
This is what makes America the greatest country. One has the total right and freedom to be a Jack. For me, I choose John 15:12.
That is a good one as well!
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Quote from: warrent423 on July 03, 2015, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 03, 2015, 07:28:23 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: BowBendr on July 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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You could never be like me. I'm not afraid to offend those that need offending ;)We fly a Stars and Stripes over a Stainless Banner with a Bar at my house here in Tn., as well as back home in FL. I've got kin that have been killed in action for both. Black, white, yellow, race has nothing to do with it to me. When the highest court in the land becomes corrupted to the point of no return and refuses to uphold their constitutional duty to this country, I believe they should be tried and convicted of a treasonous act and put to death. Of course, this is just the opinion of this God fearing, red blooded, traditional American "Patriot". Did I mention to hell with the fags, dykes, and all those who support them. Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what state she is in :laugh:
Please do not use God fearing and hate spewing in the same sentence. That is why it is difficult enough to witness to those that need it.
The God I respect and fear created Adam and Eve for a reason ;) I'm out
Yes he did create Adam and Eve for a reason, and Roman 1:18-32 speaks out about the subject very clearly, but you cannot pick and choose which parts of it you want to believe and live by if you declare yourself God fearing.
The same great book also says (including what was already quoted in Matthew 22:36-40 and John 15:12):
Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another? - James 4:11-12 NKJV
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. - John 3:17
Sin is what God hates, not the sinner. We are supposed to hold others accountable to the law but we express Bibical judgement from God in a loving manner to show it is eternity we care about for them, not hatred.
We like to make one sin worse that others but to God they are all the same. Homosexuality is no different than sex outside of marriage, adultery, or pornography, they are all of sexual immorality. There is much more going on as well that is no different yet some accept and try to make one look worse than the other. (And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? - Matthew 7:3)
I apologize for highjacking the thread and taking it on another course. I will continue to keep this about Constitutionality and how State's rights were abused from here on out.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we should refrain from posting topics like this on this turkey hunting forum. Our common bond here is not based on politics, religion, or any other contentious subject. Some here seem to think it is. We all need to get rid of that misconception and stick with turkey hunting topics,...or at least topics that will not end up like this one has.
Well...this is what happens when turkey season ends. ;)
Haven't read the entire thread so forgive if this has already been said.
To me this issue is between God and the believer. In the U.S., especially, a citizen should have the right to do as he pleases, provided he doesn't impact anyone else (I'm talking a real impact not just an imagined one). He/she should have the right to worship or not, to believe or not, to own a firearm or not. I think that right extends to all areas of life. If you want to marry a cow, as far as I'm concerned, knock yourself out. There may be consequences for you but as long as the cow and you are consenting adults, go for it! (You all know I'm being facetious here right?).
What I'm trying to say is everybody, according to the Constitution, has the right to succeed or fail of their own volition. That's why this country was formed, to get away from oppression...
Am I a believer? Yes...I believe that I'll be judged some day and everyone else will be judged as well, as individuals...Am I going to be the judge here on earth? I try my best not to be...Do I disagree with things that are going on today...Yep...
Careful about forming a mob to lynch the nearest person/group you disagree with...Some day that group person might be you...
Quote from: davisd9 on July 03, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on July 03, 2015, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 03, 2015, 07:28:23 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: BowBendr on July 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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You could never be like me. I'm not afraid to offend those that need offending ;)We fly a Stars and Stripes over a Stainless Banner with a Bar at my house here in Tn., as well as back home in FL. I've got kin that have been killed in action for both. Black, white, yellow, race has nothing to do with it to me. When the highest court in the land becomes corrupted to the point of no return and refuses to uphold their constitutional duty to this country, I believe they should be tried and convicted of a treasonous act and put to death. Of course, this is just the opinion of this God fearing, red blooded, traditional American "Patriot". Did I mention to hell with the fags, dykes, and all those who support them. Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what state she is in :laugh:
Please do not use God fearing and hate spewing in the same sentence. That is why it is difficult enough to witness to those that need it.
The God I respect and fear created Adam and Eve for a reason ;) I'm out
Yes he did create Adam and Eve for a reason, and Roman 1:18-32 speaks out about the subject very clearly, but you cannot pick and choose which parts of it you want to believe and live by if you declare yourself God fearing.
The same great book also says (including what was already quoted in Matthew 22:36-40 and John 15:12):
Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another? - James 4:11-12 NKJV
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. - John 3:17
Sin is what God hates, not the sinner. We are supposed to hold others accountable to the law but we express Bibical judgement from God in a loving manner to show it is eternity we care about for them, not hatred.
We like to make one sin worse that others but to God they are all the same. Homosexuality is no different than sex outside of marriage, adultery, or pornography, they are all of sexual immorality. There is much more going on as well that is no different yet some accept and try to make one look worse than the other. (And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? - Matthew 7:3)
I apologize for highjacking the thread and taking it on another course. I will continue to keep this about Constitutionality and how State's rights were abused from here on out.
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Quote from: stinkpickle on July 03, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Well...this is what happens when turkey season ends. ;)
You had to be that guy, that has to bring that up! :icon_thumright:
Quote from: davisd9 on July 03, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on July 03, 2015, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: davisd9 on July 03, 2015, 07:28:23 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: BowBendr on July 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
^^ And that response right there is the reason I can't fly my confederate flag, because people think I am just like you. America don't have time for your racist bull pelosi rants like this. We tried to keep this civil, and you had to wade in and muck it up. If you feel that way, keep that crap to yourself man, I don't like Obama either, but that was uncalled for......
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You could never be like me. I'm not afraid to offend those that need offending ;)We fly a Stars and Stripes over a Stainless Banner with a Bar at my house here in Tn., as well as back home in FL. I've got kin that have been killed in action for both. Black, white, yellow, race has nothing to do with it to me. When the highest court in the land becomes corrupted to the point of no return and refuses to uphold their constitutional duty to this country, I believe they should be tried and convicted of a treasonous act and put to death. Of course, this is just the opinion of this God fearing, red blooded, traditional American "Patriot". Did I mention to hell with the fags, dykes, and all those who support them. Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what state she is in :laugh:
Please do not use God fearing and hate spewing in the same sentence. That is why it is difficult enough to witness to those that need it.
The God I respect and fear created Adam and Eve for a reason ;) I'm out
Yes he did create Adam and Eve for a reason, and Roman 1:18-32 speaks out about the subject very clearly, but you cannot pick and choose which parts of it you want to believe and live by if you declare yourself God fearing.
The same great book also says (including what was already quoted in Matthew 22:36-40 and John 15:12):
Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another? - James 4:11-12 NKJV
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. - John 3:17
Sin is what God hates, not the sinner. We are supposed to hold others accountable to the law but we express Bibical judgement from God in a loving manner to show it is eternity we care about for them, not hatred.
We like to make one sin worse that others but to God they are all the same. Homosexuality is no different than sex outside of marriage, adultery, or pornography, they are all of sexual immorality. There is much more going on as well that is no different yet some accept and try to make one look worse than the other. (And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? - Matthew 7:3)
I apologize for highjacking the thread and taking it on another course. I will continue to keep this about Constitutionality and how State's rights were abused from here on out.
Well said davisd9!
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Quote from: stinkpickle on July 03, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Well...this is what happens when turkey season ends. ;)
Lol. A lot of truth there. ;)
Quote from: sixbird on July 03, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
To me this issue is between God and the believer. In the U.S., especially, a citizen should have the right to do as he pleases, provided he doesn't impact anyone else (I'm talking a real impact not just an imagined one). He/she should have the right to worship or not, to believe or not, to own a firearm or not. I think that right extends to all areas of life. If you want to marry a cow, as far as I'm concerned, knock yourself out. There may be consequences for you but as long as the cow and you are consenting adults, go for it! (You all know I'm being facetious here right?).
What I'm trying to say is everybody, according to the Constitution, has the right to succeed or fail of their own volition. That's why this country was formed, to get away from oppression...
Am I a believer? Yes...I believe that I'll be judged some day and everyone else will be judged as well, as individuals...Am I going to be the judge here on earth? I try my best not to be...Do I disagree with things that are going on today...Yep...
Careful about forming a mob to lynch the nearest person/group you disagree with...Some day that group person might be you...
Well said. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 03, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we should refrain from posting topics like this on this turkey hunting forum. Our common bond here is not based on politics, religion, or any other contentious subject. Some here seem to think it is. We all need to get rid of that misconception and stick with turkey hunting topics,...or at least topics that will not end up like this one has.
Then I would have missed six pages of free entertainment.e Lot's of big words used in this thread. Keeps me busy looking thru Dick's son's canary trying to figure out what they mean. Why do you want to take that away from me?
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 03, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we should refrain from posting topics like this on this turkey hunting forum. Our common bond here is not based on politics, religion, or any other contentious subject. Some here seem to think it is. We all need to get rid of that misconception and stick with turkey hunting topics,...or at least topics that will not end up like this one has.
I'm with GobbleNut 100% on this. I doesn't do our sport any good to be associated with language like warrent423 used in his post, and sooner or later these discussions end up that way. Maybe it is time for OG to have a Politics and Punditry sub board like so many other forums have done, and have it accessible only to members. That way we keep the entertainment value for guesswho too, if he's not too busy with Dick's son's canary. :D
Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on July 03, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Maybe it is time for OG to have a Politics and Punditry sub board like so many other forums have done, and have it accessible only to members. That way we keep the entertainment value for guesswho too, if he's not too busy with Dick's son's canary. :D
I do feel the need to clarify that it is a female canary!
Quote from: guesswho on July 03, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on July 03, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Maybe it is time for OG to have a Politics and Punditry sub board like so many other forums have done, and have it accessible only to members. That way we keep the entertainment value for guesswho too, if he's not too busy with Dick's son's canary. :D
I feel the need to clarify that it is a female canary!
Never doubted that for a minute,
maybe half a minute, but not a whole minute. :goofball:
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Quote from: GobbleNut on July 03, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we should refrain from posting topics like this on this turkey hunting forum. Our common bond here is not based on politics, religion, or any other contentious subject. Some here seem to think it is. We all need to get rid of that misconception and stick with turkey hunting topics,...or at least topics that will not end up like this one has.
AMEN!!