well  my good friend said try longbeards 4 shot in my 835 he said they were good  in his 835 .well he was right on . i shot them in my 835 with a jelly head .690 the pattern was ok . well i tried my carlson what a difference but it is .675 . i had 185  no 4  in a 11.75 quaker boy target it is the best i ever shot . i shot it two times it is  good both times 
			
			
			
				oh yes forgot to say 40 yds
			
			
			
				Sounds great!!! Would love to see some pics!
			
			
			
				My dads 835 w/.675 IC put 154 #4's in the 10 @ 40. 
3&1/2" shell 
I picked up a box of 3" 4's I am planning on trying this week thru my 835 with .675 GT if the rain lets up 
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