How long after a bird has been pushed around or put down by other hunters does he need before he will be receptive again?
Hunting public areas (with mostly morning hunters), or you get busted by a bird, how long (same day) before you would try him again?
Anything you do different when you know you are hunting a bird that was pressured earlier?
*(I understand that the best option is to leave him alone and try him on another day, but unfortunately, that is often not an option for some of us).
So much can depend on the bird and how much pressure. In my opinion the best options are to not hunt real pressured birds. Where I live that means mountain birds. Stay away from fields. Every kid taking his gf for a hike, bike ride, going fishing etc that sees those birds, least where I live has to call at em just so it'll gobble for the gf.
Stay away from that. Your other option is gobbler fights, gobbler talk. Most guys don't do it. It works and it's something they often haven't heard
We try to get off the beaten path, hard to do around here, but that is our best chance. If everyone else is hunting where the visible birds are , then we get out in the boonies. More hunters = more pressure and the birds get awful quiet when it happens.
Ha you guys are all wrong! Didn't you read that hunting pressure on turkey's is a myth. Lol
I would wait a couple hours before trying him again.
Quote from: Bowguy on March 07, 2015, 04:46:31 PM
So much can depend on the bird and how much pressure. In my opinion the best options are to not hunt real pressured birds. Where I live that means mountain birds. Stay away from fields. Every kid taking his gf for a hike, bike ride, going fishing etc that sees those birds, least where I live has to call at em just so it'll gobble for the gf.
Stay away from that. Your other option is gobbler fights, gobbler talk. Most guys don't do it. It works and it's something they often haven't heard
All of the birds we hunt here are in the hills... I have seen birds use some orchards, but for the most part it is rolling or steep oak-lined foothills. In my area, I have never seen birds using agricultural areas or open fields... I have seen birds using open fields or pasture further to the north (where there are a lot more birds), but not in my immediate area.
It would seem, on much of our public area that there are more hunters than turkeys, but there are turkeys to be had. Knowing that most hunters give up the ghost after about 8 or 9 am, I thought I might try some later morning hunting on some of these public areas.
Most of my current hunting is done on private land, but it is limited, and I am hoping to expand my horizons (also, I do not want to take too many birds from a limited population). Having hunted some public land in the past, one thing I experienced was a lot less gobbling (even when I knew birds were present).
Sometimes you can reposition on the bird and get right back in the game. Sometimes it may take a day or two.
How about competing with another hunter?
Kind of a conundrum. Too much calling and the bird will likely hang up, but on the other side of the coin, at least initially, that bird will go toward the hunter who is most vocal (or at least that has been my experience).
I have never had any luck pulling in a bird with someone else calling at the same bird(s). To my benefit, I have never heard that shot fired which would tell me he got it either.
This happens with hunters on adjoining property, as well as on public land where we each parked in a different area... I have not had other hunters encroach my spread, and I have not walked up on anyone either, but sometimes, I have found myself competing with someone for the same birds at the same time.
Quote from: Marc on March 12, 2015, 12:36:46 PM
How about competing with another hunter?
Kind of a conundrum. Too much calling and the bird will likely hang up, but on the other side of the coin, at least initially, that bird will go toward the hunter who is most vocal (or at least that has been my experience).
I have never had any luck pulling in a bird with someone else calling at the same bird(s). To my benefit, I have never heard that shot fired which would tell me he got it either.
This happens with hunters on adjoining property, as well as on public land where we each parked in a different area... I have not had other hunters encroach my spread, and I have not walked up on anyone either, but sometimes, I have found myself competing with someone for the same birds at the same time.
If the bird is coming to me I don't care what the other guy does I just keep doing what I'm doing even if it's soft clucks and purrs. If the bird is hung in the middle or moving away I'd run multiple calls to try and sound like several hens.
I had this on public last youth season I scouted and new exactly where the birds we're roosted and where they would go after fly down, we got in early and set up close. The birds flew down out of range but were drifting closer eating up the few calls I threw out when another hunter came in cranking away on his calls. They gobbled their heads off but never gave up their line to me and I just kept giving them only a few yelps with some purrs.
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 11, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Ha you guys are all wrong! Didn't you read that hunting pressure on turkey's is a myth. Lol
I would wait a couple hours before trying him again.
I'm glad I have at least one convert! :happy0064:
Although I believe we ascribe hunting pressure to too much of the turkey's behavior, I can tell you flat out there are days where the birds are uncooperative. Whether it's human caused or just being naturally ornery, my solution is to go where the birds are going to be and wait for them there. You won't hear me say "ambush." I call, but I am usually more subdued when I think I have an ornery bird. I let him think he's selling me. I will ignore him-- make him think I can't hear him, and keep up with feeding calls. I also will pick up and walk away from the bird, call a bit, and then double back.
The tactic of coming back on him 2 hours later is a good one too. I'm in KY, so I can hunt all day long. I'll therefore wait until mid-afternoon and try to work him again from another direction.
One other trick that I've used is one called "sonic baiting." I've done it for years, but only recently heard that it had a name. Basically, if you have a very recalcitrant gobbler, I'll go out to where I expect I might have good luck in the morning and kick up a major fuss right around roosting time. My goal is to get the gob to think there's a tree full of horny hens roosting near him. I then show up there the next morning. The key is to do this in earshot of where you think the gobbler's roosted.
Overall, with ornery gobblers, my best bet is to place less emphasis on getting them to pitch down to you off the roost. Hang back. Blend into the overall calling pattern, let the gob hop down and then start turning it on an hour or so later after he's done his thing with the hens in sight. Just as I see hunting pressure to be an over-emphasized concept, I also think the classic flydown encounter is a bit
over romanticized. It is usually far easier, pressure or not, to make a score mid-morning or even later in the day.
Quote from: cahaba on March 12, 2015, 03:43:19 AM
Sometimes you can reposition on the bird and get right back in the game. Sometimes it may take a day or two.
Agreed. I think a lot of it depends on how bad the bird was spooked.
If he was just shot at then it may take a little longer than if he just saw you walking around in the woods from a distance, for example.
There's no set rule for it but they usually calm back down fairly quickly.
I have killed a few gobblers by setting up tight on them ,especially. late in the season. I sit between him and his morning strut zone.Some of these Toms I never called too.Of course knowing the ground is a huge advantage. I have also heard the myth, about pressured birds.I can tell you, anyone who believes that hunting pressure doesn't affect gobbling, has not hunted enough pressured gobblers. My 2 cents
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
Quote from: eggshell on March 25, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
excellent advice I just picked up a thing or two by reading this. Thank you sir.
Quote from: eggshell on March 25, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
that is sound advice right there.
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Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 26, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Quote from: eggshell on March 25, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
That is some very good advice I
picked some tips myself going to public land next week and I am caring some of this with me
Thanks
that is sound advice right there.
Quote from: eggshell on March 25, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
good post, good advice, :welcomeOG:
Regardless of where I am hunting, spring gobbler hunting to me is about finding a bird that wants to come to my calling while carrying on a conversation. Honestly, any other form of turkey hunting to me is just turkey killing,...and I am not enamored with just killing turkeys.
Yes, I have been in situations where I realized, after covering the area I could hunt, that if I wanted to kill a bird on the property, I was going to have to sit in one spot and pretend I was calling turkeys while basically waiting in ambush. Those instances have always been on properties that were small and I had no choice but to hunt that way,....and honestly, that SUCKS!
I have been blessed with being able to hunt turkeys most of my life on very large chunks of public land. I cut my turkey hunting teeth on covering the country and finding a gobbler that wanted to play the game with me. That game is,...I call, he answers,...I call, he answers,...and eventually we come together,...preferably with him strutting and gobbling all the way in.
Any place I go to turkey hunt, I am going to first find out if there are birds like that around before I resort to the waiting in ambush game. Most places I have hunted, I have been able to find a gobbling bird that wanted to play the game "my way". Frankly, if I can't find a bird like that where I am hunting,...well, I am just sadly disappointed.
Since the start of my turkey hunting, all I ever hunted and still do is Public Grounds, both in PA and Ohio. Pressured birds can be a challenge, although very rewarding when it all comes together. As I do believe the longer the Season goes on hunting Public Grounds, the harder they become to kill, but still killable up to the last day, without ambushing.
But actually love hunting late Season birds, as the hunters have thinned some, although most birds have pretty much heard everything. Where one must approach it a bit different to be successful, but nothing more rewarding than a late Season bird, and usually when the more dominant birds bite the dust.
I hear ya Gobblenut and I prefer to hunt that way too and usually will, but come late season and a bunch of pressure I will do what it takes to out smart an old wiery bird. I actually see it as a challenge to get the one that has eluded everyone else. You been back east enough to know that large tracts of land to roam are quite scarse. Many people are restricted to hunting what on a few small tarcts of land. Many of my spots are anywhere from 50 - 200 acres. I have one larger tract that is 900 and I am the envy of my friends for that. Public land here has I'd guess at least one hunter for every 100-200 acres or less, so it's not a lot of room to roam
Quote from: eggshell on March 25, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
Pressure does affect gobblers, but they can still be killed. Patience is the key. I prefer to hunt greener birds, but that is not usually an option. My quick tip is know your bird's habits and the ground. If you know he's spooky then tone down the calls and switch up. Listen to what kind of callers are being used round you and go to a new caller. I like my slates and pots for late season gobblers. Know where he likes to be and sit those areas. I have killed a bunch of the so called unkillable birds. I seldom kill them early in the morning, it's usually late morning or early afternoon. They are used to most hunters being gone. One of my favorite things to do is simply go stomping into a known strutt zone or hang out and act just like a hiker passing through, I'm not concerned with being quiet or sneaking at all. I simply stop and set up in the best area and wait. The rule is no calling of any kind for an hour, "NONE". Next is a little leaf scratching followed with some soft clucks or purrs and a couple yelps. after this introduction and about 10 minutes I will let out a hard run and cut. Then silence with only a single soft cluck now and then. Keep your ears wide open and movements slow. Many times the first thing you hear is leaves crunching or a spit. If this doesn't work do again and again and again and again, day after day. Every old gobbler has that day he is so horny he'll leave his good sense and come, persistence kills old shy birds. This is why many of them are killed late season when they are lonely. Also late season try gobbler yelping. Gobblers will be looking to pack back up as spring winds down. Like old trophy bucks old gobblers usually take time and work, but they are killable. Do your homework!
Great advice. Thanks.