Everyone talkes about how good nittro shoot but have said anything about what they cost. Do they make them in 20 gauge and what do they cost
http://www.nitrocompany.com/ammunition.html#HevishotTable
Cost way to much for me, thats crazy......
Quote from: stringtalker on February 07, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
Cost way to much for me, thats crazy......
My theory, I might shoot 3-4 shells a YEAR max. Box of 10 might last me 4 years, that's $20 a year in shells. Might as well shoot the best.
well said!!
Couldn't have said it better.
I can never understand how hunters can spend so much money on all aspects of hunting and not put worthwhile money into the one thing that seals the deal. If you aren't hand loading, nitros are fine turkey killers. For my girls 20, I never regretted spending the money on a box of nitro 7's. Dead turkeys, happy girls.
Yes, they probably do kill good, but federal heavyweight #7's are alot cheaper...
Quote from: stringtalker on February 07, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
Yes, they probably do kill good, but federal heavyweight #7's are alot cheaper...
They are more expensive. I've taken a few seconds to break down the cost.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Nitro is 37.50 per box or $7.50 per shell.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Federal is 30.99 per box or $6.20 per shell.
That is a 17.3% increase in cost per same pay load shot.
Quote from: stringtalker on February 07, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
Yes, they probably do kill good, but federal heavyweight #7's are alot cheaper...
And a bit more lethal.
There worth the money.
I find the 'cost to much' argument funny also. Shotgun and chokes $300-1500, calls $10-1000, clothes $100+, vehicle fuel 3 weeks prior thru season spent on scouting and hunting $300-1000. These are just guesstimates on what the average turkey hunter spends not including lease prices,permit fees etc.. If you do have a stellar year and kill 10 birds, the shell cost is a drop in the bucket compared to the other cost. I will gladly pay $10/shell for the peace of mind that if I do my part, the load will do its part.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on February 08, 2015, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: stringtalker on February 07, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
Yes, they probably do kill good, but federal heavyweight #7's are alot cheaper...
They are more expensive. I've taken a few seconds to break down the cost.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Nitro is 37.50 per box or $7.50 per shell.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Federal is 30.99 per box or $6.20 per shell.
That is a 17.3% increase in cost per same pay load shot.
Same weight payload. But 1 7/8 oz of HW (15 g/cc) is not the same as HS (12-13 g/cc). Many more pellets in the HS than in the HW. Apples to oranges comparison.
If you call them close enough, a .410 will do the job. I love the pattern of the Longbeards, but a 60 yard shell? Appalling. I just wish Winchester made them for the 20.
Quote from: HogBiologist on February 08, 2015, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on February 08, 2015, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: stringtalker on February 07, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
Yes, they probably do kill good, but federal heavyweight #7's are alot cheaper...
They are more expensive. I've taken a few seconds to break down the cost.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Nitro is 37.50 per box or $7.50 per shell.
A box of 5 of the 1 7/8 oz load from Federal is 30.99 per box or $6.20 per shell.
That is a 17.3% increase in cost per same pay load shot.
Same weight payload. But 1 7/8 oz of HW (15 g/cc) is not the same as HS (12-13 g/cc). Many more pellets in the HS than in the HW. Apples to oranges comparison.
I understand the difference in the densities of the two different shots being discussed. The gentleman that started the thread was simply asking for the cost, so that is what I posted in my first reply. The same gentleman then posted that the Federal's were a lot less expensive. Here is where I made my mistake, and I apologize for it. Expensive is and adjective that has different meanings to different people. At one time I thought the ammunition produced by Nitro was ridiculously expensive until I worked the numbers comparing them to other top shelf turkey loads. I was just trying to put it in black and white for all to see and maybe the information might be useful to someone looking to try one load or another this spring. I had no other way to compare the cost of different shells other than a per shell cost, per same payload, and shells packaged per container. That's what I did. In that regard IMO it is apples to apples.
Sorry how that may have come across. My point with that post was that while the payloads are the same weight, the total numbers of pellets in the payload are very different. There are far more pellets in a HS load than a HW load. That is why I said apples to oranges. There is no real way to compare the loads on performance.
In the moment of truth HTL loads are worth their weight in gold, IMO.
Quote from: HogBiologist on February 10, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Sorry how that may have come across. My point with that post was that while the payloads are the same weight, the total numbers of pellets in the payload are very different. There are far more pellets in a HS load than a HW load. That is why I said apples to oranges. There is no real way to compare the loads on performance.
Very true. Some may not put up as big of numbers but a good even pattern is more useful to a hunter than a heavy numbered 10" circle and they hit much harder. Shooting paper in ideal conditions is a whole lot easier than when he is gobbling and coming in as you are bent around a tree trunk.
I went with Nitros several years ago and have not looked back. The first spring I used them I shot 10 times and killed 10 gobblers. They seem expensive but when compared to everything else you have invested in a turkey hunt they are a bargain. If you buy a box of 25 the price per shell is comparable to Hevi-Shot.
I buy Nitros every year. To me they are worth the price and then some. The only thing I hate about them is they leak powder. It can be fixed with a little Alex Plus but still it is annoying. I wish they could seal them a little better. Just a small price to pay though. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: WVhuntEER on February 11, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I buy Nitros every year. To me they are worth the price and then some. The only thing I hate about them is they leak powder. It can be fixed with a little Alex Plus but still it is annoying. I wish they could seal them a little better. Just a small price to pay though. :icon_thumright:
Leaking powder...or buffer???
Nest to homemade ,Nitros are the loads I get the best from.
40 yards
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I have shot nitros the last 3 years. hunting Tn,Ky,In and Kansas. I had 15 shells left at at the end of last season. I like them so much I bought a box of 25 more. Just in case they ever quit making them. out of all the money I have spent those shells are the best investment I have made. Just my opinion.
Quote from: WVhuntEER on February 11, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I buy Nitros every year. To me they are worth the price and then some. The only thing I hate about them is they leak powder. It can be fixed with a little Alex Plus but still it is annoying. I wish they could seal them a little better. Just a small price to pay though. :icon_thumright:
Its buffer they leak, many have had same issue after loading and ejecting over a season with that said still what I use my gun loves them. Of course I've been trying to call them and no answer all week
I've got no problem spending for top of the line shells, but they need to be worth their cost and in my opinion Nitros aren't (at least with regard to their 20ga load). I get 180 hits in 10" from my M2 with a Sumtoy .562-5 and Fed HW7's. I can bump that up closer to 200 hits with the IC .555 but I hunt with the Sumtoy so I'll use those numbers compared to the 222 Nitro pattern posted above. The 180 hits comes out to around a 54.9% pattern inside 10" at 40 yards, the 222 Nitro pattern is around 55.6%. The HW is delivering about 0.822oz of payload into the 10, and the Nitro about 0.798oz. The Nitro load starts at about 100fps faster than the HW, but the HW retains more of it's initial energy down range. At 40 yards the Nitros may deliver a few more hits, but the HW pellets are going to hit a bit harder, so it's pretty much a wash.
So given that, why would I pay almost $34 for 5 Nitros when I can buy a box of 5 HW for $15-20? Nitros are over priced.
I agree, dead is dead. Iv killed a rediculous amount of turkeys with lead. That being said, I'll never go back to lead. HTL loads have, from the first bird I killed with them, impressed the heck out of me. Penetration is rediculous compared to lead, it has compensated for my lack of common sense a couple times and has allowed my girls to shoot smaller and more pellets per shot at turkeys, increasing the odds of a cleanly killed turkey and a successful hunt. I think it's on my shoulders to do what I can to be a more efficient turkey killer and to do what I can to help my kids hammer em.
I'm on the opposite end of wealthy but it doesn't kill me to spend a few more dollars per shot when I'm shooting a bird I respect so much.
These are only my thoughts. They are based on more than a couple turkeys a year. And no, my turkeys don't taste better than yours. If you came to my place this spring we would talk turkey and likely go to the woods. If I called in a double, we'd kill em both. Mine with HTL and yours with lead and then we'd see if we could taste the difference. There wouldn't be any but HTL is better. Lol
If I'm not mistaken the Nitro will hit slightly harder due to velocity. Nitro HW 7 is the same density as HW 7 is it not? Where are you finding the HW for $15-20? The cheapest I found with shipping is $30. I would love to find a box for that price if you don't mind sharing the info.
I THINK nitro hevis are 13 gr/cc and federals are 15 gr/cc.
Their Megaweight shot was 13 g/cc but that is currently listed as unavailable, regular Nitros are just plain old 12 g/cc Hevishot. The HW's are 15 g/cc, which is why the pattern % works out about the same for the 180 vs 220 hits in my example above, the Nitro load starts out with far more (lighter) pellets. Out to 40 yards Nitros, at best, are 'as good' as the Federal loads. Past that and it would swing even more in favor of the HW. And yet Nitro wants twice as much money for their shell. :z-dizzy:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/5-rounds-federal-premium-mag-shok-20-gauge-3-heavyweight-turkey-load-shells?a=1587296 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/5-rounds-federal-premium-mag-shok-20-gauge-3-heavyweight-turkey-load-shells?a=1587296)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-FEPHT258F7 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-FEPHT258F7)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598499/federal-premium-mag-shok-turkey-ammunition-20-gauge-3-1-1-2-oz-7-heavyweight-non-toxic-shot-flitecontrol-wad-box-of-5?cm_vc=ProductFinding (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598499/federal-premium-mag-shok-turkey-ammunition-20-gauge-3-1-1-2-oz-7-heavyweight-non-toxic-shot-flitecontrol-wad-box-of-5?cm_vc=ProductFinding)
http://www.basspro.com/Federal-Premium-MagShok-HEAVYWEIGHT-Lead-Turkey-Load-Shotshells-with-FLITECONTROL/product/12092909485135/ (http://www.basspro.com/Federal-Premium-MagShok-HEAVYWEIGHT-Lead-Turkey-Load-Shotshells-with-FLITECONTROL/product/12092909485135/)
If you're patient it's usually not long before one of the above will offer either a free shipping promotion or something like $15 off a $100 purchase that will basically cover the shipping if you are buying enough boxes. It's not like Nitro offers free shipping either, the minimum you will pay for them to ship you a single box is almost $16.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 10, 2015, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: HogBiologist on February 10, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Sorry how that may have come across. My point with that post was that while the payloads are the same weight, the total numbers of pellets in the payload are very different. There are far more pellets in a HS load than a HW load. That is why I said apples to oranges. There is no real way to compare the loads on performance.
Very true. Some may not put up as big of numbers but a good even pattern is more useful to a hunter than a heavy numbered 10" circle and they hit much harder. Shooting paper in ideal conditions is a whole lot easier than when he is gobbling and coming in as you are bent around a tree trunk.
This^^^^^
Thanks for the information.
Nitro has been offering specials the past few months, since they updated their website. It has been off a box of 25. One was like 10 bucks off and another it was free shipping.
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