Yes. It's true. They are asking. Was at the ped Friday for a checkup on my newborn and they asked if we had guns in our home.
I'm not much on conspiracy theories, never have been. But why in the hell do doctors care so much now? Hmmm...
Suppose I volunteer that I have over 10k guns in my home. I'd expect the ATF to kick in my door, I truly would.
I handled the question the best I could imo... I said- "why?And she said we have to ask. In my mind I'm thinking if you don't know why you're supposed to ask, that's a dangerous question, and should require a careful response. I said, that's an inappropriate question. She said well you don't have to answer. So I didn't.
TIME for a new Doctor !!!!!!
I agree it is a dangerous question that is totally ridiculous for them to ask and would NOT answer it except to tell him/her it is none of his/her business.
Quote from: memert116 on April 19, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
I agree it is a dangerous question that is totally ridiculous for them to ask and would NOT answer it except to tell him/her it is none of his/her business.
??? exactly....none of there business !!!
NOYFB would be an appropiate answer there
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Quote from: weave on April 19, 2014, 09:02:55 PM
NOYFB would be an appropiate answer there
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The answer is always ZERO. I had a nosy bustybody old lady for a neighbor at one time who hated guns.She asked me how many guns I kept in my house and I told her none.She then asked me how many dangerous bullets I kept in the house because she knew I had guns she'd seen me carry them in before.I told her I had 1.She was getting kinda po'd because she knew I was lying and i was having more fun the madder she got.
She said "well I know you've got more than one bullet in that house".I replied "maybe".I said just bust thru that door sometime in the middle of the night and I guess you'll find out.She never spoke to me again about guns.
Just ask them an awkward question that is none of your business in return.
Tree hugger liberal type --
The problem with these folks is they were subjected to years of liberal a left leaning brainwash education at the university etc... If she was to ever to have as many near death experiences as the rest of us she would look at it at a totally different point of view
Quote from: weave on April 19, 2014, 09:02:55 PM
NOYFB would be an appropiate answer there
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Damn right! That's no ones business - Molan Labe liberal mofos!
Quote from: Old Gobbler on April 19, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Tree hugger liberal type --
The problem with these folks is they were subjected to years of liberal a left leaning brainwash education at the university etc... If she was to ever to have as many near death experiences as the rest of us she would look at it at a totally different point of view
Yeah I agree but this is happening everywhere now. My cousin in Pennsylvania had it happen to him. He answered yes, which led me to think- no one really thinks about these questions they ask at the doctors we go in there like drones.
Just because they have more education than us, doesn't mean they get to decide that we HAVE to answer every question they ask.
Guns are completely irrelevant to why we were there. I doubt my week old son could misuse a firearm.
Besides, all they'd have to do is pull my records and see I'm a concealed carry holder, of course I have guns!!!
Quote from: weave on April 19, 2014, 09:02:55 PM
NOYFB would be an appropiate answer there
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If I was there alone I would have said that. My wife was in a poor mood. Lmao
if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor! if you don't like your doctor I guess you can shoot your doctor? sounds like a normal democrat
Tell that doctor you'll answer that question if he'll answer if he ever made a mistake on any patient? If if he says "NO" than say " So does that mean you don't carry liability Insurance"? That will shut him up....and I would then walk out.
we have two little girls and when we took them to see the doc they didn't ask us that, but he actually did say: I see you are wearing camo are you a hunter I said yes he said if you can give them venison its the best thing for your girls A+ in my book lol
If I am not mistaken, that is a requirement of Obamacare, that the doctors must ask if you have guns. Sounds to me like the doc was just doing her job. She asked, as is required, but told you that she had to ask and added that you didn't have to answer.
Sounds to me like we need new politicians, not docs.
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Find a doctor who hunts. There's plenty out there.
Jim
I could only see this being a relevant question if you are at the doctor for suicidal ideation or homicidal ideation. Other than that....NOYFB!!
Quote from: Cut N Run on April 20, 2014, 08:53:52 AM
Find a doctor who hunts. There's plenty out there.
Jim
Yah not many around here. It's in the town of ohio university.
Like most college towns, mostly liberal idiots.
Yeah I'd really like to know who requires them to ask.
Institutions that received Fed Medicare dollars are subject to Fed requirements. Joint Commission comes in and surveys these places and can fine $ if they are not following what they reccommend and can also lose Medicare reimbursement $'s.
The issue I see with it, most of these places are going to all electronic documentation. If the health care workers collect this info according to the ACA rules. It would be very easy for the Feds to then just run a 'query' through the system to 'collect' all of that specific info. Just another way to 'find' the gun owners in this country. They are definitely trying to back door the gun registration issue that they want and using health care as a front.
I personally REFUSE to ask that questions for them. I will ask about violence/forced sexual acts etc, et, but not about their guns...
If it is true that obamacare requires the doctors to ask if you have guns , this is nothing more than a precursor for gun control - they slip it on you ever so gradual , before long there is a institutionalized process of determining if someone is mentally competent to possess a firearm
In 1930's Germany the nazi party wanted to register Jews too - they started small with government ID cards , that progressed into mandatory Star of David arm bands , and having to place signs in the front of your businesses --and eventually became more and more aggressive , expelled many , moved the rest into ghettos , then work camps and concentration death camps - people would have never thought they would have done it.....but they did , they wiped out millions of them and in the process tens of millions of others - the lesson learned never let one person have that kind of power - I bet if the Jews in Europe were allowed to bear arms there would have never been a ww2
The point being ..... Big policies like these start out small then they advance them step by step until their fraudulent policy is fully deployed
Looks like they are asking pediatricians to ask people with small children if they have firearms in the home ( the angle being child safety ) I'm sure the folks in the mental health profession would likely be next to in some way and some day be a tool in the policy to determine is someone is mentally competent to own a firearm -- if they thought they could get away with it they would , the only thing stopping them is you and the NRA
This is precisely why we need to make these mid-term elections count! These people have to go, and go now! I think even any incumbents with 3 or more terms should probably be voted out, unless they have a REALLY good track record. The longer they are in office the less they care about the people, and the more they care about holding on to their own power and making "deals". They like to say "it's just politics," but if someone doesn't have personal convictions and morals they live and stand by, how can we keep putting them in charge of us? So let's talk to neighbors, friends and strangers and get out the vote, let's not fear getting in an argument with someone who may not share our views. This has been the most corrupt administration in history, and I truly fear for our Country and our freedoms. And don't forget about your local and state elections, as they have a significant impact on the direction our Country is headed! :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
Agreed Shannon...here in the ER we are supposed to ask those same questions and I do believe that it is all about a back door way of documenting firearms....PERIOD. All under the guise of health care, with the questions have NOTHING to do with. Complete crap, but as mentioned, these institutions are a creating left wing sheep that will just follow along....I however, prefere to be the wolf.
It's part of the liberal demo'rats plan to take away guns....the gent that Obama tried to appoint to Surgeon General was planning on declaring guns a national heath risk.
I dont think this is an Obummer Care issue, I heard this question asked many years ago when my first son was born. I did the same thing many of you did, I asked why? Got the same thing to educate me about gun safety etc,Ha like i would ask my doctor,nurse etc about how to handle a gun safely in my own home.
Do you think refusing to answer gets you off "the list"? IMHO, The correct answer is zero.
We just had this discussion at a Oathkeepers.org local meeting. Do not tell them anything. I live behind the "iron curtain" in New York state. As you have heard are governor "King Andrew Cuomo" has enacted the NY Safe Act. He says it will save lives. If the governor was so interested in saving lives then why are there, on average, 400 un-born children killed a day in New York State. New York state capital, Albany, murder capital of the world... I will not comply to any politician that swore a oath, on a Bible, to protect the constitution of the Untied States and then breaks there oath... your doctor also took an oath.
It's part of Obama Care and I just don't answer.
Coming down from the government. A nurse told me that. I've been asked by not only VA Dr's but civilian Dr's as well. ...Always say no.... Just a matter of time with the idiot in control that they try to take our guns... with try be the key word..
All orders for shells,by caliber, gauge, number ordered can be traced to the house. There are many questions being asked under Obamacare that have nothing to do with a cold or check up. The populous voted for all this under the promise of affordable care. Right! We asked how could Germany have such things happen to them and yet our country is being duped by tactics that give instant feed back.
Remember all the bullet orders for Homeland Security ? APC's for HS? Think about it.
I have some water guns and rubber band guns , is that what you are talking about? Oh, that kind. Do you have any? Reply- Oh skip it, next question. They think we are that stupid so act it!!!
There is no such requirement through Obamacare to ask about guns. Organizations such as The American Academy of Family Physicians and American Academy of Pediatrics recommend a discussion about gun safety citing studies suggesting increased accidents in homes with firearms. These were published long before Obamacare came about. Point is, keep them secured, teach your kids good firearm safety, and take them hunting/shooting. I practice in Utah. I assume everyone owns guns and have no need to ask the question or put it in the records.
"So how much do you make a year? Oh, that has nothing to do it? Interesting."
Quote from: jakesdad on April 19, 2014, 09:05:16 PM
The answer is always ZERO. I had a nosy bustybody old lady for a neighbor at one time who hated guns.She asked me how many guns I kept in my house and I told her none.She then asked me how many dangerous bullets I kept in the house because she knew I had guns she'd seen me carry them in before.I told her I had 1.She was getting kinda po'd because she knew I was lying and i was having more fun the madder she got.
She said "well I know you've got more than one bullet in that house".I replied "maybe".I said just bust thru that door sometime in the middle of the night and I guess you'll find out.She never spoke to me again about guns.
There are no dangerous
Bullets.. only dangerous
Shooters
As a physician I tend to agree w/ bird man and the rest of y'all for the most part. It isn't any of a pediatrician's business if you own guns or not. The proper way to approach it would be to discuss home gun safety while discussing issues like wearing a helmet while riding a bike. Our pediatrician gave us some good info on flat screen tv's at our last visit. Apparently ones that aren't mounted are causing head injuries to kids bc they're pulling em off whatever they are sitting on. Bc of the stands they are top heavy. Made sense and my wife and I checked them when we got home. Point being, bringing gun safety up may help accidents from happening but it isn't any of their damn business if you own a gun or not.
Quote from: stringtown on April 24, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
As a physician I tend to agree w/ bird man and the rest of y'all for the most part. It isn't any of a pediatrician's business if you own guns or not. The proper way to approach it would be to discuss home gun safety while discussing issues like wearing a helmet while riding a bike. Our pediatrician gave us some good info on flat screen tv's at our last visit. Apparently ones that aren't mounted are causing head injuries to kids bc they're pulling em off whatever they are sitting on. Bc of the stands they are top heavy. Made sense and my wife and I checked them when we got home. Point being, bringing gun safety up may help accidents from happening but it isn't any of their damn business if you own a gun or not.
Excellant point and I agree 100% with what you said, but that is as far as the conversation needs to go.
Every year at my check up, I get the clipboard questionnaire with the: " do you own any firearms?" Same answer every year........NO.
Always lie, when you tell the truth, just gives them another reason to say there's too many. Where's the info going? We know.
Lie,lie,lie!!
I didn't know if it came from obamacare or not but I did know it was on the rise. They will be asking your kids at school also. Last time I was at the doc the nurse was really drilling me about being depressed. When the doc came in I ask him why and she told me they were required to. I don't know if that comes from obamacare or not.
I've been asked numerous times about firearms ownership. I just politely say I prefer not to answer. I've also been asked about wanting to hurt myself. My reply is always "I want to kick myself when I do something stupid..." They just laugh. My present Dr. is a hunter and I don't recall him ever asking any of those questions.You don't need to answer...I think, as one poster said, we mostly just conform. If we're asked, we just answer, even if the question is invasive. I've been more assertive in exercising my right to privacy as I become more educated in the ways of the surveillance state...
My doctor and I are friends. We share hunting pictures with each visit. He knows I have guns. He has never ask me about how many guns I got. His daughter got her first turkey this year. I will ask him about this next time we talk.
Quote from: longspur on April 24, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
I didn't know if it came from obamacare or not but I did know it was on the rise. They will be asking your kids at school also. Last time I was at the doc the nurse was really drilling me about being depressed. When the doc came in I ask him why and she told me they were required to. I don't know if that comes from obamacare or not.
My step son wrote a page on "What I did over summer vacation" last year and guns were mentioned. It was such a big thing that my wife had to be called in on it. They ask her if she felt safe . She said yes that she felt safe BECAUSE we have guns in the house.
Quote from: ilbucksndux on April 27, 2014, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: longspur on April 24, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
I didn't know if it came from obamacare or not but I did know it was on the rise. They will be asking your kids at school also. Last time I was at the doc the nurse was really drilling me about being depressed. When the doc came in I ask him why and she told me they were required to. I don't know if that comes from obamacare or not.
My step son wrote a page on "What I did over summer vacation" last year and guns were mentioned. It was such a big thing that my wife had to be called in on it. They ask her if she felt safe . She said yes that she felt safe BECAUSE we have guns in the house.
Typical liberal school bs.
By the time my son goes to school, he'll know the answer is - noyfb!
i can only imagine what where going to have to deal with when we get tj