Got a question on stretching latex for mouth calls. I new at this and i am trying to figure out what range i need to be around. I have read that most people stretch theres to around .140 plus or minus on what you prefer and type of call. Now i know theres a lot a variables in this process but i watched a video and he said he stretched his a .25'' . Is this unheard of or is this just the way he likes his calls. It was billy yargus who i was watching so i know he knows what he is doing but that just seems way to tight compared to others i have read. Any input is helpful. thanks.
If you are a huffer a tighter stretch is preferred. If you are a blower your number is more like it. Just depends on how you call.
Joe
he's stretching .250 on a hand jig,,,, it's a lot less on a press
I think .250" is .250" how ever it's measured.
Joe
there is a big diff. i own a hand jig ,,,,, you are stretching half of the reeds ,, i'm stretching the whole reeds
In the video he said he is stretching the latex a quarter of a inch which would be .250 on a dial that presses have.
Here is the video. He uses a hand jig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVB5wTGyi0
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Crossbow I also have a hand jig and a big press. I don't understand your logic about stretching half the latex. If the latex is stretching, it's stretching. All of the latex is anchored on one side and the other side is moving away stretching it. One is being measured by a dial the other by how many turns you make. Either way they are both stretching the latex .250 inches.
Joe
am I the only one that laughed hysterically reading this thread? blowers huffers stretcher puller latex tension? LMAO :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
It is hilarious. I thought he was actually asking a real question and was trying to become a better caller. My bad. I can tell you several of the competition callers and what stretch they prefer. Never mind I'm done here.
Joe
I mean if you're only stretching the latex .250 inches...you might not make it California :TrainWreck1:
Quote from: crossbow1968 on April 01, 2014, 07:19:00 AM
he's stretching .250 on a hand jig,,,, it's a lot less on a press
APRIL FOOL'S???????????? :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
.250 on a press IS more tension than .250 on a jig,, BOSS
Whatever you say............... ::)
Ok lets look at how a mouth call is made to clarify this situation. 2-4 pieces of latex are tacked together and layered the longest reed usually at the top. The frame is placed in the press, most frames will have glue applied to the frame and a piece of paper is removed to expose the glue. The tacked latex is placed in the frame and one side of the frame is clamped. That keeps that side of the latex from moving. The other side of the latex is clamped in a sliding piece that is attached to a gauge. This gauge measures distance, not tension. The sliding piece is moved to the desired distance and then the other side of the frame is clamped. The latex in the first 1/3 of the call is now fixed. Once that is done the sliding piece moves to the relaxed position. This actually has an affect on the back 2/3 of the latex in the call. Then the back tension is stretched. The back side tension is still laxed compared to the front part that is tight. Once the back tension is pulled the back is clamped and the tab is bent over so the back tensions will not move.
The hand held press uses clamps on both sides of a stacked piece of latex. Then is hand turned, which is a screw that is unscrewed, stretching the latex to the desired distance. The frame is then placed in position so that the tips of the frame can be clamped to keep the latex from moving. Now in the video that was posted he took the frame out of the jig. This in turn relaxes the back 2/3 of the latex just as the large press did. Then he used his fingers to stretch the back tension. If he would have left the frame in the jig the whole time even the back 2/3 of the latex would have the same tension as the front part. This would be stretched tighter than the press but he didn't. He took it out of the jig.
That all being said he stretched a mouth call with a jig the same way that it would have been stretched in a large press. He uses a .250 stretch for his calls whether they are made in a jig or press. He is not the on ly competition caller that uses that much stretch and that stretch is not the most that I have heard. I have heard up to .310.
Now these are facts and not judgements or opinions. and BTW Crossbow 1968 I am not your BOSS.
Joe
Watch the first Video...I tend to agree with Joe.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/outdoors/kelly-bostian-tres-phipps-answers-his-calling/article_de58173e-6954-5f20-a616-b24f6f89b6a0.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/outdoors/kelly-bostian-tres-phipps-answers-his-calling/article_de58173e-6954-5f20-a616-b24f6f89b6a0.html)
10-4 Joe!!!!! :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
LOL..... ON A HAND JIG YOUR STRETCHING 2.000 OF LATEX,,,, ON A PRESS YOUR STRETCHING .625 AT MOST,,, BIG DIFFERENCE
YOUR WORNG JOE !!!!!!!!!!
thanks thad for clearing this up
Must be the stretch Boss?:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Quote from: featheridge on April 03, 2014, 08:33:34 PM
YOUR WORNG JOE !!!!!!!!!!
OK if this is Thad I will bow to your knowledge. Now can you explain it in terms that I might even be able to understand?
Joe
im lost. i just bought a hand jig from thad and i want to know what i should stretch the latex too. sorry i opened this can of worms
I get what Thad is saying in the press the reed is streched using only the front quater of the latex in a hand jig your streching the whole set of reeds not only the front but the middle and back also. But in a that hand jig when you use your pliers to crimp the front of the frame you release the clamps tension is released and your back to the gap distance is the gap distance cause your going to put the back tension in then. The only way theres a difference is if you clamped further up the frame with your pliers..
On a press you crimp left corner,,, from there to stretcher is about .95 of Material,,, Your only stretching .95 of material,,,,,,, on a hand jig from clamp to clamp is 1.875 of material,,,, now stretching .25 on both is same distance but the one on press is Tighter because there is less material to stretch,,,,,, trust me,,,,, when I first designed the hand jig I thought it should be the same but it isn't,,,,
I typically stretch .180 on a Press ,,, on a Hand jig to get about same sound I Stretch to
.320
I could have clarified this up sooner. If you have ever had to hand stretch calls on a sheet of plexi glass and scotch tape, you would understand.
The best anology I can use is for you to grab a 3" rubber band off a desk at work, pinch the ends with your thumb and pointing finger and stretch your hands apart. Now pinch the rubber band in the middle and try to stretch your fingers apart the same distance.
Everytime I have had a problem with calls I have been able to call Thad, and 99 44/100 % of the time he has explained or fixed my problem, usually I am like how could I have been so stupid.
But there are things that affect stretch of a call more than just the press or jig. What I mean is from year to year or batch of latex or frames to the next.
My personel cutt/ Cackle calls are stretched to 225 on the press with a standard high crown frame with adhesive, if i make that same call with non adhesvive frames that I have sprayed with my own glue ( for contest calls), the stretch will be in the 180's. these calls will last for years!!
I'm glad Thad and Saddler joined in. I learned something, Thanks Guys.
I agree and am glad this has been cleared up. I was wrong. I was thinking the the jig and the press was stretching the same length of latex and it's not. The jig is stretching a piece of latex that is 2" long and the press is stretching a piece of latex 1" long. They will have different tension if stretched the same distance. You learn something every day and I am man enough to say I was wrong.
Now as Sadler mentioned he stretches his cutter calls to .225 on a press. I know others that stretch more than that and even up to .300 on a press.
Joe
Quote from: featheridge on April 04, 2014, 04:55:47 AM
On a press you crimp left corner,,, from there to stretcher is about .95 of Material,,, Your only stretching .95 of material,,,,,,, on a hand jig from clamp to clamp is 1.875 of material,,,, now stretching .25 on both is same distance but the one on press is Tighter because there is less material to stretch,,,,,, trust me,,,,, when I first designed the hand jig I thought it should be the same but it isn't,,,,
I understand that!! :icon_thumright: Didn't think about less material to be stretched Thanks!!
Quote from: crossbow1968 on April 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
there is a big diff. i own a hand jig ,,,,, you are stretching half of the reeds ,, i'm stretching the whole reeds
what i already said
Ok if you want a great call use .003 green latex as the top reed and .003 grey as the bottom reed. Make it a setback style with a batwing cut with only about 1/16 of an inch overlap of the two pieces of latex. A great call for cluckin n purring with nice high clear raspy yelps. Stretch this call on a press to .92 and when doing back tension make sure you make a smilly face. Oh yea with a hand jig you stretch the whole piece of latex at one time, with a press you only sretch the top half of the latex. I have tried both. I prefer a press. And there is a big difference on how much you stretch with a jig versus a press.