I saw this video posted on Facebook from a hunting site. Watching this, I really have an urge to punch a lot of the people in the video right in the face. I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, but I don't think this is how turkey hunting should be done. Seems a little unethical and dangerous to me. Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wvcczx5nJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wvcczx5nJw)
I think on public ground it can be dangerous for sure. I have killed a few stubborn long beards over the years by using a fan...
I'm very new so don't get me wrong. It's not the fan I have a problem with, it was the guy grabbing a turkey, throwing a loaded gun, taking numerous shots on turkeys, and acting the way they did. I've seen a lot of crap out duck hunting and I'm not sure what to expect when I go out for turkeys this year.
Fanning is nothing new, and for those that do it in private ground where it is MUCH safer then I could see it as being extremely exciting. Now doing it on public...Not me.
On another note, I wouldn't show off the misses and bad shots those guys made or the unsafe gun handling. But that said those guy take it to an extreme level.
Their responses are not ethical. I agree with you. I misunderstood your original post and took it as using a fan was unethical. My bad.
Most turkey hunters that I have met are not like the guys in that video. Sure, we all get excited and let our emotions get the best of us at times, but I don't know of any that act like the ones in the video...
+1. Fanning may be ok if done safely. It's another tool and its fun. Shooting wildly, wounding, missing, and throwing your gun on the ground is just dumb.
I wouldn't do that on private land around here. That's a good way to get a load of shot in the rump.
That stuff ain't happening in PA. If so, it's all private ground.
Looks like a good way to get hurt to me.
I'm not crazy about what I seen in that video. Now I do use decoys, I think they are a nice tool to help seal the deal. I don't know if I would hold one and crawl behind it to a turkey. How those guys were acting and throwing guns was kind of uncalled for.
I absolutely hate to see turkeys killed this way....not totally sure why but I just don't like it
Fanning is a great tool when done safely. I have a hard time watching the UNSAFE and UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR. I have a hard time with MOJO Outdoors releasing that video too.
Quote from: JuniorPre 360 on March 12, 2014, 11:12:49 AM
I'm very new so don't get me wrong. It's not the fan I have a problem with, it was the guy grabbing a turkey, throwing a loaded gun, taking numerous shots on turkeys, and acting the way they did. I've seen a lot of crap out duck hunting and I'm not sure what to expect when I go out for turkeys this year.
100% in agreement with you on this one 360. Attempting to grab a live bird then tossing his SG on the ground :o. I'll bet this group goes noodling for catfish :goofball:. Looks like typical Mississippi "sportsmen" to me. :toothy12:
Quote from: northwoodshntr on March 12, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Fanning is a great tool when done safely. I have a hard time watching the UNSAFE and UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR. I have a hard time with MOJO Outdoors releasing that video too.
^ THIS
I hunt on property owned by wealthy, educated and civilized people.
If any of them ever saw this common, classless display of what "outdoorsmen" or turkey hunters are, I would lose most of it.
Bubbas dressed in suspenders, hillbillies dressed skeleton suits, and rednecks casually throwing guns around does nothing to improve the perception of hunting in the eyes of the non-hunting public.
I find the "turkey reapers" appalling.
Quote from: northwoodshntr on March 12, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Fanning is a great tool when done safely. I have a hard time watching the UNSAFE and UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR. I have a hard time with MOJO Outdoors releasing that video too.
Ditto!
And the quest to dumb Turkey hunting down even further continues on
At least they named it scoot and shoot turkey because its damn sure not turkey hunting.
I watched about 1 minute of it , and saw about 4-5 turkeys get missed clean , another get crippled , and one in particular.......could be used as evidence in a court of law for harassment of wildlife -- when the guy tried to catch the turkey , when that failed he tried to shoot and a running turkey ....what a idiot - several bad shots , some turkeys were shot in the back , not neck
Almost al the footage was likely shot on Midwest/west ranches that are overrun with turkeys , unrealistic by daily standards ( no offense to Midwest west turkey hunters )
These are not turkey hunters , these are duck and goose converts , what your seeing the high fiveing white guys ,, geeks .... They scored the entire eyesore just like the goose hunting videos to blaring rock music , the only thing missing is a chad belding lookalike with a entourage of college age know nothing's wearing black hoodies throwing out Shaka hand signs every time they shoot at something
What a disgrace .... Worst part is some moron will try and repeat the same stunt one day and get a face full of buckshot from another , bigger idiot
Very UNSAFE....I wonder if they would play the same music if somebody got shot? Very STUPID...
I would not be against trying it but in a much more classy and ethical manner than what these clowns did.People like this are only about the kill and trying to look good to the black hoodie posse.
I would be more apt to try this in the off season just to see how close I could get without worrying about "the kill".May carry a stick in case things got as little too close tho :o
Yep, hard for me to watch, I think I would still leave feeling unsuccessful after a hunt like that.
I could only stand watching it up to the point the dbag attempted to grab the tom, scrambled for his gun, fired, missed and threw his weapon. Made me want to puke!
in pa I think I would be tagged in about 5 minutes of doing that
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 12, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
I watched about 1 minute of it , and saw about 4-5 turkeys get missed clean , another get crippled , and one in particular.......could be used as evidence in a court of law for harassment of wildlife -- when the guy tried to catch the turkey , when that failed he tried to shoot and a running turkey ....what a idiot - several bad shots , some turkeys were shot in the back , not neck
Almost al the footage was likely shot on Midwest/west ranches that are overrun with turkeys , unrealistic by daily standards ( no offense to Midwest west turkey hunters )
These are not turkey hunters , these are duck and goose converts , what your seeing the high fiveing white guys ,, geeks .... They scored the entire eyesore just like the goose hunting videos to blaring rock music , the only thing missing is a chad belding lookalike with a entourage of college age know nothing's wearing black hoodies throwing out Shaka hand signs every time they shoot at something
What a disgrace .... Worst part is some moron will try and repeat the same stunt one day and get a face full of buckshot from another , bigger idiot
Agree 100%
Not that it matters to them but I'll never buy any mojo product.
Video pisses me off
Nothing ethical about that video. Sad...
Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 12, 2014, 01:45:31 PM
And the quest to dumb Turkey hunting down even further continues on
My sentiments exactly....
As long as what they are doing is not illegal I don't have a problem with it. I would not do it and wont teach someone to do it, but to each their own.
Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 12, 2014, 01:45:31 PM
And the quest to dumb Turkey hunting down even further continues on
Exactly. This is the new rock star generation of turkey killing (notice I did not say hunting). Legal or not, this is about killing and not the hunt...no matter how much you sugar coat it. This new decoy is designed for guys that lack the skill or patience to consistency call in turkeys. Just my opinion.
I wouldn't accept a MOJO product if given to me free.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 12, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
I hunt on property owned by wealthy, educated and civilized people.
If any of them ever saw this common, classless display of what "outdoorsmen" or turkey hunters are, I would lose most of it.
Bubbas dressed in suspenders, hillbillies dressed skeleton suits, and rednecks casually throwing guns around does nothing to improve the perception of hunting in the eyes of the non-hunting public.
I find the "turkey reapers" appalling.
:agreed: Just stupid people acting like such and giving us real turkey hunters bad names....
sick
Is there some point at which the phrase "as long as it is legal" becomes preposterous? Haven't we reached that point long ago? Does not the sight of a fine game bird running to a decoy based on sign-stimulus alone make the true sportsman want to puke?
If I had to act a fool and do things like that to kill a turkey, i'd quit.
Nothing new used to do it on the farms in pa years ago! Now they find a way to make a buck off it and make it sound like it's something they made up. I would like to see them do that on Florida public land lol there would be a shortage of stretchers. There is places that allow you to use rifles. Some states I think one is Pa. Require you wear orange when you are not stationary or put a orange band around the tree you are sitting by. It would take a stupid person to shot someone but then again it happens every year.
Quote from: silvestris on March 12, 2014, 06:39:32 PM
Is there some point at which the phrase "as long as it is legal" becomes preposterous? Haven't we reached that point long ago? Does not the sight of a fine game bird running to a decoy based on sight-stimulus alone make the true sportsman want to puke?
:icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
I love PA law as it pertains to spring gobbler hunting.
"Hunting is by calling only."Pretty much rules out Mojo Skid Marks. Don't it?
Disgusting.
Mojo outdoors doesn't make a product that is ethical..... Legal yes ethical no
Bunch off assclowns
let me make a prediction .....If someone gets killed or hurt partaking in this activity all they have to do is use this footage made by mojo in literally any court in this country and they will sue their pants off , we are talking multi million dollar suit --
I promise when you get a bunch of sobbing and crying family members in a court room in a wrongful death lawsuit with the family vs. some company , and you stack up 12 jurors , and they see the loss of life , limb and the breadwinner of the family is dead --
tell me if you think those 12 people will do , especially with such idiotic footage
The plaintiff (or the poor departed's family) would not want me on the jury. The defect of the product is too obvious. I might give past medicals so the taxpayer didn't have to pick up the dear departed's hospital bills.
To me this is not turkey hunting. Personally using decoys is not as fun as just working a bird on your own. I have killed turkeys using decoys when I am hunting with a friend or trying to shoot one with my bow. but I do not get the same high as I do when its just me and the bird with a shotgun in my lap.
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Its just not for me! I agree it kind of makes me mad as well. I also do not like 99% of all the hunting shows on TV, I hate all the fist pumps and high fives!! screaming WHOOOOO when you kill something and dancing in a tree stand. or guys running as fast as they can and diving on top of there turkey. I'm guessing these guys are just excited to kill something. What happened to sitting still after the shot, being quiet, not spooking everything in the area? if the bird starts to flop off or run off, dang shoot it again. when I hunt I do not like the animals to know im there. I might want to return the next day and hunt again.
ill get off my soap box
Quote from: jwhunter on March 13, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
To me this is not turkey hunting. Personally using decoys is not as fun as just working a bird on your own. I have killed turkeys using decoys when I am hunting with a friend or trying to shoot one with my bow. but I do not get the same high as I do when its just me and the bird with a shotgun in my lap.
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Its just not for me! I agree it kind of makes me mad as well. I also do not like 99% of all the hunting shows on TV, I hate all the fist pumps and high fives!! screaming WHOOOOO when you kill something and dancing in a tree stand. or guys running as fast as they can and diving on top of there turkey. I'm guessing these guys are just excited to kill something. What happened to sitting still after the shot, being quiet, not spooking everything in the area? if the bird starts to flop off or run off, dang shoot it again. when I hunt I do not like the animals to know I'm there. I might want to return the next day and hunt again.
ill get off my soap box
A "Most Excellent" post.
I contacted one of their team members over Facebook and politely asked them if grabbing that turkey and their style was ethical and or harrassment to the birds. He replied, "He was just saying hi to the turkey no harassment intended."
Kind of speaks for itself I guess.
He replied, "He was just saying hi to the turkey no harassment intended."
Typical TV black hoodie posse wannabe response.As much as I like seeing new people getting involved in hunting,the new mentality brought on by the "TV pros" almost makes me wish that some people would pick another sport to pursue(the word demoralize would fit here also)
Yes I said it may be neat to try in a earlier post,but in a much more classy or ethical manner,or even without a gun in the offseason just to get close to birds.I agree with the earlier statement of when does just because its legal cross the line of ethical.
I know several local "pros" who would love to try this so they could brag of their turkey hunting greatness.These are the same people who would/have blasted a bird off the limb because it was legal and tell everyone how great they are.
Its all about Making money these days. Creating a product that sells to make money. People are fooled by these scams thinking it is making them a better "Turkey Hunter". If I cant call him in then I guess he won that day! it give me another day to get better and try again. Becoming a "Turkey Hunter" takes time it takes patients it takes many springs to become a "Turkey Hunter". Its about a Man and his shotgun with a few calls watching the day break, experiencing the morning with the owls, the whipper-wheels and of course the turkeys, its about trying to be more seductive than she is. Its about staying within 100 yards of that bird from daylight until 9:30 only moving feet at a time until the moment is right to pull the trigger. Experiencing two solid hours of hardcore drumming when that tom is only 30 yards away, but b/c of the terrain you cant see him.
Decoying a turkey into feet of you to try and pounce on the animal is a lack of respect for what you cranked your truck up to do that morning.... I wake up early in the spring to be a "Turkey Hunter". Im getting closer every season!!!!
Quote from: jwhunter on March 13, 2014, 03:09:48 PM
Its all about Making money these days. Creating a product that sells to make money. People are fooled by these scams thinking it is making them a better "Turkey Hunter". If I cant call him in then I guess he won that day! it give me another day to get better and try again. Becoming a "Turkey Hunter" takes time it takes patients it takes many springs to become a "Turkey Hunter". Its about a Man and his shotgun with a few calls watching the day break, experiencing the morning with the owls, the whipper-wheels and of course the turkeys, its about trying to be more seductive than she is. Its about staying within 100 yards of that bird from daylight until 9:30 only moving feet at a time until the moment is right to pull the trigger. Experiencing two solid hours of hardcore drumming when that tom is only 30 yards away, but b/c of the terrain you cant see him.
Decoying a turkey into feet of you to try and pounce on the animal is a lack of respect for what you cranked your truck up to do that morning.... I wake up early in the spring to be a "Turkey Hunter". Im getting closer every season!!!!
^^^precisely
Quote from: jwhunter on March 13, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing.
Maybe it is time that more stood up and declared that yes there is something wrong with what they are doing. I have gotten a number of clients off of criminal charges because their actions were not technically illegal, but I sure wouldn't want to break bread with them.
There, I have made my annual anti-decoy rant and I will shut up and go to hunting them as I was taught.
Sadly I can see that thing really catching on in my area.
Stuff like this is why I'm way behind the curve when it comes to turkey hunting. I've never really been able to find anyone who actually likes/wants to 'hunt' turkeys. Most would rather shoot them off the limb before daylight, shoot em with a rifle hundreds of yards away, or try some dumb thing like that in the video.
I feel like it's taking me longer than it should, learning stuff on my own.
Edit to add:
This is more about the killing rather than hunting mentality, than the video posted. I guess seeing something like that reminded me of many I know.
junk someone will get shot using this hopefully just not killed. nothing ethical about it, no sport in it. makes me mad just watching it.
Hopefully all that crawling around has left them unable to reproduce.
To me, I think the bigger issue here is not so much about the video, or the method, or how ethical it is. It is more about whether it should be a legal method of killing turkeys. If this method of hunting became commonplace,...which I have no doubt it will for a lot of folks,...how much of an impact will it have on gobbler numbers? Is it possible to kill so many gobblers out of a population doing something like this that we have to regulate against it? Will gobblers learn to avoid other gobblers after a few years of hunters doing this? Who knows for sure?
Again, to me, this is just the next step beyond fanning, which is the next step beyond using a strutting gobbler decoy to attract gobblers. Do we outlaw each of those methods, too, because someone figured out that this would work so well?
Ultimately, there are some hard choices we are going to have to make as turkey hunters. Are we going to have to go back to regulations that prohibit the use of decoys at all, or any kind of "attractant" that provides a visual stimulus to make turkeys approach?
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know that we are very quickly getting away from the allure of spring gobbler hunting that attracted many of us older guys to the sport in the beginning,...that is learning to make turkey sounds that would make gobblers come to the call. But, then again, who is to say that the calling of turkeys is the only way it should be done?
As I said, we, as turkey hunters, are going to have to make some hard choices about all of it.
I wonder if this "crew" has thought of using a slab of bacon wrapped around their heads and try bear hunting like that. Guaranteed u-tube video stardom.... :icon_thumright:
Quote from: the Ward on March 13, 2014, 06:17:14 PM
I wonder if this "crew" has thought of using a slab of bacon wrapped around their heads and try bear hunting like that. Guaranteed u-tube video stardom.... :icon_thumright:
LMBO! I would watch that!
You don't have to be an older guy or seasoned veteran to see that this is not turkey hunting.
Last year a friend and I battled a mid morning, stubborn bird and took the fight to him. We belly crawled to him. (Private land) Strangely enough to some, we didn't need a turkey fan to get into range, we used the terrain. Look, I'm not bragging but I'm just saying there are lots of other ways to get your kicks of getting close CLOSE is your thing.
I believe I've already posted my thoughts about this in another thread similar to this one.
I will probably never own one but you have to admit that it would be intense to have a gobbler do the 100 yard dash with the finish line attached to your arm. That being said the guys on the video probably do no represent our sport in the best light.
That is not hunting to me I believe in woodsmanship and thats not it no respect for the magnificent bird when just shooting that way. Also in Va. they better not be doing that rifles are legal in spring and you will take a chance on loosing your life roaming around like that even on private ground that would not be safe plenty of people cross posted signs every year to a gabble and shoot a bird 100 plus yards.
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 13, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
To me, I think the bigger issue here is not so much about the video, or the method, or how ethical it is. It is more about whether it should be a legal method of killing turkeys. If this method of hunting became commonplace,...which I have no doubt it will for a lot of folks,...how much of an impact will it have on gobbler numbers? Is it possible to kill so many gobblers out of a population doing something like this that we have to regulate against it? Will gobblers learn to avoid other gobblers after a few years of hunters doing this? Who knows for sure?
Again, to me, this is just the next step beyond fanning, which is the next step beyond using a strutting gobbler decoy to attract gobblers. Do we outlaw each of those methods, too, because someone figured out that this would work so well?
Ultimately, there are some hard choices we are going to have to make as turkey hunters. Are we going to have to go back to regulations that prohibit the use of decoys at all, or any kind of "attractant" that provides a visual stimulus to make turkeys approach?
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know that we are very quickly getting away from the allure of spring gobbler hunting that attracted many of us older guys to the sport in the beginning,...that is learning to make turkey sounds that would make gobblers come to the call. But, then again, who is to say that the calling of turkeys is the only way it should be done?
As I said, we, as turkey hunters, are going to have to make some hard choices about all of it.
x2 ^^^^^
Where I live I wouldn't do this in my front yard! We have poachers around here that carry rifles and scope the woods to the sound of a hen call, and I personally know a couple of guys who bought 10ga bps's for the sole purpose of sneaking over ridge tops, standing up and shooting the first red or white head they see. I would hate to think I was tucked in under one of these when a 3.5 oz load of shot was buzzing at me at 1200fps!
No offence to anyone here using a 10ga, but these guys told me that was the purpose behind it, to kill them @ 55 and 60yds.
I'm getting one of these and giving it to a co-worker to use.
I don't hunt with him but I help him out as much as I can. :anim_25:
First off all... These clowns are "shooting" Turkey's on private Land on a turkey shooters play ground... These jackwagons couldn't pull this Bs on heavily hunted pressured wiery gobblers... So I pretty much say if your killing in pressured easy gobblers like this YOUR NOT A TURKEY HUNTER!!!! Quit calling your self one please because your giving us a bad name
Ignorance is all I can say. That's the stuff that makes us hunters look stupid in non-hunting circles.. Besides that young kids see ignorance like this and end up getting shot. Very irresponsible , not to mention the throwing gun, disrespecting wildlife etc., and acting like fools.
What's next putting a whitetail deer rack on your head in deer season and running around the woods..?
Quote from: JuniorPre 360 on March 12, 2014, 11:12:49 AM
I'm very new so don't get me wrong. It's not the fan I have a problem with, it was the guy grabbing a turkey, throwing a loaded gun, taking numerous shots on turkeys, and acting the way they did. I've seen a lot of crap out duck hunting and I'm not sure what to expect when I go out for turkeys this year.
my thoughts when I watched this
Its not for me! But to each his own!
God Bless
They need to get some IC. chokes!
Quote from: TalksToTurkeys on March 15, 2014, 02:03:26 AM
I'm getting one of these and giving it to a co-worker to use.
I don't hunt with him but I help him out as much as I can. :anim_25:
I wonder if I could get my mother in law to go turkey hunting and try this.
You Tube??? More like "Boob" Tube.
Pathetic.
I was especially disappointed when the guy that tried to grab the turkey did not get a spur through the cheek....
Quote from: JuniorPre 360 on March 17, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: TalksToTurkeys on March 15, 2014, 02:03:26 AM
I'm getting one of these and giving it to a co-worker to use.
I don't hunt with him but I help him out as much as I can. :anim_25:
I wonder if I could get my mother in law to go turkey hunting and try this.
Now were cookin with gas!
I was thinking FIL, but I'd settle for both!
what made me sick is when the guy shot that tom he grabbed it up by the head and turned to the camera and rejoiced in his killing while holding the head and turning it to the camera...such disrespect to the animal. if you show off your trophy do it in a respectable manner.
Here is what worries me. My son showed me this video a few nights ago and was all excited. Yea its cool getting THAT close behind a decoy BUT the rest of it is just bad.
Don't ya think that this activity while the poor shooting and what I consider a lack of ethics will make them even more decoy shy ?
These punks need to shoot as many as they can. Their life expectancy just dropped dramatically. A disgrace to turkey hunting and ethics imo. Videos like this make me ashamed of being a turkey hunter. :angry9
Saw Michael Waddell on Bone Collector yesterday doing the same thing with a Thunder Chicken decoy. Looks like an accident waiting to happen.