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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 12 ga Remington pattern pictures => Topic started by: Thomas6689 on February 19, 2014, 08:36:03 PM

Title: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: Thomas6689 on February 19, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Shot the longbeard 3.5" #6 today out of my 870sm with a sumtoy.665 at 40yds. All I had to draw a circle with was a 10.5" plate and I know that yields bigger numbers, but all I have to say is wow!
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: WildSpur on February 19, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
Sick!

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Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: SKFOOTER on February 19, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: Thomas6689 on February 19, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Shot the longbeard 3.5" #6 today out of my 870sm with a sumtoy.665 at 40yds. All I had to draw a circle with was a 10.5" plate and I know that yields bigger numbers, but all I have to say is wow!
What length barrel??
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
I don't care if that is 10.5", 305 is crazy. You have very little on the outside edge anyway, most of your pattern is centered. I got 203 the other day with a 3" #5. With numbers and patterns like that I can't see why in the world anybody would fork out the high prices for HTL anymore, but too each their own.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: drum817 on February 19, 2014, 10:33:16 PM
NICE!!!!.....VERY NICE!!!!  :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: Gold Spur on February 19, 2014, 11:17:44 PM
Awesome. :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: captin_hook on February 20, 2014, 06:46:38 AM
Touchdown    :happy0064:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: Thomas6689 on February 20, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
It's a 23" barrel I kinda hated to post this pattern pic because I didn't figure anyone would believe me lol.  I mean I probably wouldn't believe it either if I hadn't been there, but I have no reason to lie I just had to show people how amazing these shells pattern out of a sumtoy choke.  I hope everyone gets patterns like this.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: buck_hunter21 on February 20, 2014, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
With numbers and patterns like that I can't see why in the world anybody would fork out the high prices for HTL anymore, but too each their own.

I am thinking the same thing.

My billfold is loving the numbers these shells have been putting on paper for you guys.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: wvnut3 on February 20, 2014, 10:33:28 AM
Very nice, I can't wait to try my .665 sumtoy in my 1187 and 870. Lee :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome?  Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific.  I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome?  Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific.  I have an 870/sumtoy choke.

One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length.   Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.     
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: pseshooter300 on February 20, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
Looks good
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: SKFOOTER on February 20, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome?  Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific.  I have an 870/sumtoy choke.

One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length.   Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.     
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns.   :OGturkeyhead:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 20, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome?  Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific.  I have an 870/sumtoy choke.

One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length.   Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.     
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns.   :OGturkeyhead:

Few things to think about.  It all has to do with the Resin just have not figured what it is doing. LOL

We have found that the small bore barrels have gone crazy with the shell.  The short barrel guns shoot better then long barrel guns.  I think it has to do with the pressure more then anything. 
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: drum817 on February 20, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 20, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome?  Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific.  I have an 870/sumtoy choke.

One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length.   Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.     
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns.   :OGturkeyhead:

Few things to think about.  It all has to do with the Resin just have not figured what it is doing. LOL

We have found that the small bore barrels have gone crazy with the shell.  The short barrel guns shoot better then long barrel guns.  I think it has to do with the pressure more then anything.

If the weather is good I will be patterning my Weatherby pa-459 Friday (tomorrow).  It is a 18.5" barrel (less the choke.... 20" after the choke) and it's threaded Ber/Ben.  gonna be shooting the 3" #6 LB's through the SumToy .650 .....we will see!
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: cuppednlocked on February 20, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
I'll be shooting my 23" 870SM next weekend.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: reflexl on February 20, 2014, 06:35:18 PM
Awsome!!!!!
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: tomstopper on February 20, 2014, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: reflexl on February 20, 2014, 06:35:18 PM
Awsome!!!!!
x2
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: SCTrky10 on February 21, 2014, 02:52:16 PM
Wow! Impressive!
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on February 21, 2014, 06:13:20 PM
SumToy has the hot chokes for those shells.

I like the idea of a .665 too. 
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: surehuntsalot on February 26, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
fantastic looking pattern :drool:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: learn2hide on February 26, 2014, 11:26:00 PM
that's scary dense man...you should even try the bigger shot to max out the energy but with those numbers if you put up a similar pattern like 180-200 with #4's or 5's that would be insane!  Congrats to you and Winchester/SumToy.  I bought some 3.5" #5's in Longbeard XR just to give em a whirl.  Has anyone shot a super tight set up like this at 15 yards? I'm a little worried that the glued together pellets will literally shoot 2" wide at that range which could cause some issues.  Just wondering?
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: 300Mag on February 27, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
I have a 26 inch barrel on my 870. I shot the 6's I mean 7's lol with my 665 jelly head and got 294. The factory RSF choke was in the 250's.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: Gooserbat on February 27, 2014, 11:35:39 AM
WoW is all I got to say. 
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: albrubacker on March 02, 2014, 04:57:08 PM
WOW  :drool:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: cuppednlocked on March 02, 2014, 06:16:38 PM
The Longbeard shells are certainly throwing a swarm of pellets!
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: Woods-n-water on March 02, 2014, 07:04:02 PM
Shot my 870 with a 20 in barrel today. Ventilator choke. Longbeard 3" #6 @. 40 yds, 70 degrees. 200 in the 10. Dead turkey all day.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: WVHills on March 05, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
Sick. Can't wait to try my .665 Sumtoy!  :z-winnersmiley:
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: strutlife on March 09, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
I think William(sumtoy) is correct. The resin is holding it together. My opinion or question, The resin has to not contain any type of flammable ingredients so that it will hold together after the powder ignites and burnes or, Does the resin have high temp rating that does allow it to somewhat "melt" to a certain degree to hold it together and the fps eventually increases to the point that it separates? Does it "melt" at a certain point and then reverses once it has cooled from air temp and separates? Only the folks at Winchester can answer this question, and I think there is only a select few who know the ingredients of the resin.
Title: Re: Longbeard 3.5" #6, 870sm, sumtoy .665 WOW!
Post by: darn2ten on March 10, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
It's not sticking them together to long, because my testing at 20 yds. shows they are no tighter at that range than a couple different other loads through the same choke. From what I understand it shatters the resin at ignition and just acts as a buffer. Not sure of the exact science behind it, but it works.