Shot the longbeard 3.5" #6 today out of my 870sm with a sumtoy.665 at 40yds. All I had to draw a circle with was a 10.5" plate and I know that yields bigger numbers, but all I have to say is wow!
Sick!
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Quote from: Thomas6689 on February 19, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Shot the longbeard 3.5" #6 today out of my 870sm with a sumtoy.665 at 40yds. All I had to draw a circle with was a 10.5" plate and I know that yields bigger numbers, but all I have to say is wow!
What length barrel??
I don't care if that is 10.5", 305 is crazy. You have very little on the outside edge anyway, most of your pattern is centered. I got 203 the other day with a 3" #5. With numbers and patterns like that I can't see why in the world anybody would fork out the high prices for HTL anymore, but too each their own.
NICE!!!!.....VERY NICE!!!! :icon_thumright:
Awesome. :icon_thumright:
Touchdown :happy0064:
It's a 23" barrel I kinda hated to post this pattern pic because I didn't figure anyone would believe me lol. I mean I probably wouldn't believe it either if I hadn't been there, but I have no reason to lie I just had to show people how amazing these shells pattern out of a sumtoy choke. I hope everyone gets patterns like this.
Quote from: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
With numbers and patterns like that I can't see why in the world anybody would fork out the high prices for HTL anymore, but too each their own.
I am thinking the same thing.
My billfold is loving the numbers these shells have been putting on paper for you guys.
Very nice, I can't wait to try my .665 sumtoy in my 1187 and 870. Lee :icon_thumright:
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome? Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific. I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome? Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific. I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length. Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.
Looks good
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome? Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific. I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length. Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns. :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 20, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome? Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific. I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length. Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns. :OGturkeyhead:
Few things to think about. It all has to do with the Resin just have not figured what it is doing. LOL
We have found that the small bore barrels have gone crazy with the shell. The short barrel guns shoot better then long barrel guns. I think it has to do with the pressure more then anything.
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 20, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: SumToy on February 20, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: paturkeyhntr on February 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Any one else try this ammo with this outcome? Just wondering if it is gun/choke specific. I have an 870/sumtoy choke.
One thing this has got me to looking at is barrel length. Alot of the bigger numbers seems to be coming from short barrels.
Could be because the shatterd resin has less time to disperse in the short barrel than it does in the longer barrels, thus holding the shot cup together longer and providing tighter patterns. :OGturkeyhead:
Few things to think about. It all has to do with the Resin just have not figured what it is doing. LOL
We have found that the small bore barrels have gone crazy with the shell. The short barrel guns shoot better then long barrel guns. I think it has to do with the pressure more then anything.
If the weather is good I will be patterning my Weatherby pa-459 Friday (tomorrow). It is a 18.5" barrel (less the choke.... 20" after the choke) and it's threaded Ber/Ben. gonna be shooting the 3" #6 LB's through the SumToy .650 .....we will see!
I'll be shooting my 23" 870SM next weekend.
Awsome!!!!!
Wow! Impressive!
SumToy has the hot chokes for those shells.
I like the idea of a .665 too.
fantastic looking pattern :drool:
that's scary dense man...you should even try the bigger shot to max out the energy but with those numbers if you put up a similar pattern like 180-200 with #4's or 5's that would be insane! Congrats to you and Winchester/SumToy. I bought some 3.5" #5's in Longbeard XR just to give em a whirl. Has anyone shot a super tight set up like this at 15 yards? I'm a little worried that the glued together pellets will literally shoot 2" wide at that range which could cause some issues. Just wondering?
I have a 26 inch barrel on my 870. I shot the 6's I mean 7's lol with my 665 jelly head and got 294. The factory RSF choke was in the 250's.
WoW is all I got to say.
WOW :drool:
The Longbeard shells are certainly throwing a swarm of pellets!
Shot my 870 with a 20 in barrel today. Ventilator choke. Longbeard 3" #6 @. 40 yds, 70 degrees. 200 in the 10. Dead turkey all day.
Sick. Can't wait to try my .665 Sumtoy! :z-winnersmiley:
I think William(sumtoy) is correct. The resin is holding it together. My opinion or question, The resin has to not contain any type of flammable ingredients so that it will hold together after the powder ignites and burnes or, Does the resin have high temp rating that does allow it to somewhat "melt" to a certain degree to hold it together and the fps eventually increases to the point that it separates? Does it "melt" at a certain point and then reverses once it has cooled from air temp and separates? Only the folks at Winchester can answer this question, and I think there is only a select few who know the ingredients of the resin.
It's not sticking them together to long, because my testing at 20 yds. shows they are no tighter at that range than a couple different other loads through the same choke. From what I understand it shatters the resin at ignition and just acts as a buffer. Not sure of the exact science behind it, but it works.