What's the the best all around choke for moss 835 with hevi 3 1/2 in 2 1/4 oz # 7
Depends. You will just have to buy up a bunch and see what shell/choke combo shoots good in your gun. That gun will shoot that very shell particularly well with the Star Dot out of most 835's.
What about a pure gold 670
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 10, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
What about a pure gold 670
My 835 loves the PG .670 with lead and Hevi, nice even patterns. Never breached the 300 mark using Hevi with it though.
I like the patterns out of my PG.670 out of my 20" and 24" 835 also.
I don't have any experience with the 7s but my 835 has done fairly well with Hevi 6s and various lead loads using a TruGlo SSX
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 10, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
What's the the best all around choke for moss 835 with hevi 3 1/2 in 2 1/4 oz # 7
I've found that several chokes work very well in that gun with those shells. Pure Gold, Hevi-13 and SSX to name a few. The PG & SSX have .670 exit diameters and the H-13 has a .676 exit diameter. All are very good and on a given day, one might be just a bit better than the other.
All 3 of those chokes have very different internal geometry but the designers did a good job on each of them making a turkey choke that works.
I'm happy to take any to the turkey woods in my 835, 935 or SSi-ONE.
Thanks,
Clark
the pg 670 is a great place to start!!! :OGturkeyhead:
pure gold.....sumtoy...indian creek were the best for me
Sumtoy is the way to go they will get u exactly what u need
Quote from: Thomas6689 on February 11, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Sumtoy is the way to go they will get u exactly what u need
:agreed:
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 10, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
What's the the best all around choke for moss 835 with hevi 3 1/2 in 2 1/4 oz # 7
In my testing that I have done for normal temps(60-70) degrees here in MO, the old Star Dot chokes made by Colonial Arms has stood out above the rest I have compared to it shooting those loads.
Do y'all know where I could find a star dot choke
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 11, 2014, 08:03:59 PM
Do y'all know where I could find a star dot choke
Yes sir.
Call Colonial Arms and talk to either Traci Denson or the owner, Betty McDonald and tell them you want a Moss 835 .676 Star Dot choke.
Colonial Arms
1-800-949-8088
Here's the one you want for Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7 loads.
Ex Full-Mossberg 835 12-MOTPX $ 54.95
Thanks :icon_thumright:
Your welcome.
I have shot a Indian Creek .675BDS, Pure Gold .670, TruGlo SSX .670, Jelly Head .690. All are very good chokes with these loads. But they won't out shoot the Star Dot with my good stuff of 300325 lot #. I'll show you the best I have done with this choke and load. I also have done a 360 as well that I can show you it as well.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF5071.jpg)
Now I have the TruGlo Bone Collector .670 choke. But I have yet to test it. I also have the Hevi-Shot .676 choke. But haven't tested it either. But I am running low on these shells with this lot #. And the last thing I want to do is waste them patterning with one of these chokes to see if they can beat the Star Dot consistently with these loads. Like I said earlier, none of the chokes I have tested will keep up in normal temps shooting these loads.
The last Pure Gold .670 choke I had did 357 shot in the 10" on the very first shot through the tube. But the problem is on all the other shots it didn't come close to that number again with these shells. Didn't even break 300 again. But it still shot a very good even pattern. Like I said all of these chokes will do well. The Indian Creek and TruGlo SSX .670 will do right at 300 in the 10" at 40yds consistently with the good stuff I have.
And this is what I am talking about for consistency on 70 degree temp days. This was shot on another day one year with this same lot 300325 3.5" #7 load. It's one thing to post a great pattern on here once. But from what my experience has taught me is this question. Will the choke repeat that great pattern? Some of the times the answer will be no. Such in the case was the Pure Gold .670 choke that I had and sold. I now have another that I need to try that I won off of here in the bingo. And I will say that Pure Gold is one hell of a choke. but when a choke shoots 357 shot on the very first shot and then never duplicates or comes close to that again there is something going on there.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00593.jpg)
I'll see if I can find that Pure Gold pattern.
Here ya go. Pure Gold .670 pattern
This is still the most inside the 20" circle I have ever put with this load. And the Pure Gold .670 does do around 540 to 550 for an avg inside the 20" with these loads. But the Star Dot will eat it up and spit it out for higher consistent 10" numbers with these loads and still give around 540 to 550 inside the 20".
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00215.jpg)
I think someone has confused 40 steps for 40yds again :funnyturkey:
Quote from: Philippe on February 11, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
I think someone has confused 40 steps for 40yds again :funnyturkey:
Nope! Those were tape measured by me at exactly 120ft from tip of choke to cardboard.
And while I am posting here, I will explain another thing that people often ask. And I'll use the Pure Gold choke pattern with the Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's below as an example since that is almost an exact duplicate of how my Star Dot choke would shoot with the 3" Hevi-13 vs the 3.5" 2.25oz load of 7's which is only and yes I know hard to believe with the results I am about to show you...only 1/4oz more shot like the patterns I posted above with the Star Dot. Now the question is how much better or why should I shoot the Hevi-13 3.5" loads vs the Hevi-13 3" loads in #7's? And with the Star Dot choke I will simply say it's nite and day difference. Now your mileage may vary. But I have done this test over and over again on different days to see if the outcome was about the same. And the answer is yes.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00655.jpg)
Star dot is the way to go with 835 for sure :drool:
Another example with the Star Dot and the Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's at a tape measured 40yds which is 120ft by the way and I pulled the tape as tight as I can. I always staple my front end of the tape(metal loop) to my shooting table and then pull the tape as tight as I can until I get to 120ft. Then I put my choke even with where I stapled the metal loop on to my table when I shoot.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0056_Small_.jpg)
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 11, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
Star dot is the way to go with 835 for sure :drool:
No doubt. Those that try and say different shooting these loads I would put my money where my mouth is that the Star Dot would consistently beat the other chokes on the market with these loads. And I'm talking shot after shot consistency for a total 10" avg.
Now I will be honest with you. I doubt the new Hevi-13 loads will shoot like this 300325 old lot I have. But I will show you another pattern what I would call a typical pattern shooting a mediocre lot # of these same shells at a taped 40yds. And another thing I want to point out is with those other chokes mentioned above I used some of the 300325 lot shells and they never would come close to the Star Dot with the exception of that one shell from the Pure Gold.
Ok here's a typical pattern from the Star Dot choke shooting what I call just a mediocre load of these shells. This is still a great pattern.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF5178.JPG)
And that's right down central and shows you that the TruGlo Open Dot sight will shoot exactly to the point of aim. :drool:
That choke makes bad lots look good
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 11, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
That choke makes bad lots look good
That's my point. I doubt you will see this same results with most chokes on just mediocre loads or using this exact same lot in the last picture.
Not bragging, but I have done a lot of test with various chokes over the years with the 835. And I will be the first to tell you if you want to shoot lead 6's, or hevi-13 3.5" #7's that the Star Dot is probably one of the top if not the best choke to shoot in the Moss 835's period. Now if your going to shoot Hevi-13 #6's or 5's, I will be the first to tell you there more than likely is going to be better shooting chokes. But I know other folks who shoot Hevi-13 6's in their Star Dot chokes and get incredible numbers. Mine is not one of them with the 6's or 5's in Hevi-13 shells.
I'll show you the best the TruGlo SSX .670 has done for me. I only shot 3 shells through it and sold it. But it was a super good shooting choke with these loads. And yes I tried it on a 70 degree day and it didn't beat this pattern.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0069.jpg)
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 11, 2014, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: Philippe on February 11, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
I think someone has confused 40 steps for 40yds again :funnyturkey:
Nope! Those were tape measured by me at exactly 120ft from tip of choke to cardboard.
We get some warm weather up here in our area, we Sir need to meet up and blast some card board!
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34422.0;attach=17398;image
Link to 835/935 Stardot with TSS at 40 yards. Stardots are the real deal. :OGturkeyhead:
:drool: 462 in the 10 at 40 , TSS don't play
let me ask .. i also shoot a moss. 835 and still use stock choke. so the question is how big a different's has the after market chokes made. not that i'm bashing the chokes but i have killed many turkeys with stock choke and wonder if it's worth the money
What ammo do you use
Yes it is
Quote from: tomatohead on February 12, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
let me ask .. i also shoot a moss. 835 and still use stock choke. so the question is how big a different's has the after market chokes made. not that i'm bashing the chokes but i have killed many turkeys with stock choke and wonder if it's worth the money
Most shooters see a pretty dramatic improvement but having said that, if your combination is working well for you, there may be no reason whatsoever to make a change.
Thanks,
Clark
Quote from: Bama turkey hunter on February 12, 2014, 02:04:56 PM
:drool: 462 in the 10 at 40 , TSS don't play
Another reason why I said the Star Dot chokes are the real deal.
Tom,
That's bad to the bone.
Yes it is
Now I haven't shot one of the new Colonial Arms Star Dot .676 xtra full turkey chokes. But I was told by the owner, Betty McDonald on the phone about 2 yrs ago or so that the xtra full chokes they are making now are about identical for internal dimensions as the original Star Dot chokes they made for Highlander Sports. Myles on here has one and he said it looks to be about identical from the inside as his original Star Dot choke. I think he told me it mics at .676 at the end. He said he has yet to shoot it since he now shoots a 20GA mostly.
But I would say Betty will stand behind that choke if your not happy and offer you a refund.
First off want to say hello to everyone first post here and say thanks in advance for the help I know will receive here. I would like to know how the new Colonial Arms 835 Mossberg chokes stack up to the original Star Dot tubes.
I would also like to know
Quote from: allaboutshooting on February 12, 2014, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: tomatohead on February 12, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
let me ask .. i also shoot a moss. 835 and still use stock choke. so the question is how big a different's has the after market chokes made. not that i'm bashing the chokes but i have killed many turkeys with stock choke and wonder if it's worth the money
Most shooters see a pretty dramatic improvement but having said that, if your combination is working well for you, there may be no reason whatsoever to make a change.
Thanks,
Clark
Exactly. That's the nice thing about the 835. Finding a good shell to go with the stock choke isn't too difficult.
again i'm not bashing aftermarket chokes and if shooting is your thing than yeah i see messing around and maybe getting better pattern for longer shots but worry now ppl shooting and wounding birds. so with that said if your pattern says at 40 yrds you can kill a turkey then maybe time better spent is practicing calling and better setups.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 11, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Colonial Arms
1-800-949-8088
Here's the one you want for Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7 loads.
Ex Full-Mossberg 835 12-MOTPX $ 54.95
Will this also fit a 935? I might call them I got a older mossberg 835 I have had for probably 15 years with a longer barrel it needs a choke would like go try one of these.
Yes the 835 and 935 chokes are interchangeable.
I get an excellent pattern from my SSX .670, and Hevi-13 3-2-7's.
Now, I will tell you, it won't put up monster numbers, but I get around 200 evenly spaced pellets in a 10" cirlcle and I know for a fact that that will wreck a birds day!
Yes it will :icon_thumright:
Quote from: chatterbox on February 16, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
I get an excellent pattern from my SSX .670, and Hevi-13 3-2-7's.
Now, I will tell you, it won't put up monster numbers, but I get around 200 evenly spaced pellets in a 10" cirlcle and I know for a fact that that will wreck a birds day!
Same combo and my 835's will break 280's all day long with literally every Hevi Shot load I feed them except the 5's and even they'll do 200. Weird...
Is the new star dot chokes the same as the old ones
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on February 16, 2014, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: chatterbox on February 16, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
I get an excellent pattern from my SSX .670, and Hevi-13 3-2-7's.
Now, I will tell you, it won't put up monster numbers, but I get around 200 evenly spaced pellets in a 10" cirlcle and I know for a fact that that will wreck a birds day!
Same combo and my 835's will break 280's all day long with literally every Hevi Shot load I feed them except the 5's and even they'll do 200. Weird...
Joe,
Do you have a 20" barrel, and is it polished? I have always had a hard time getting big numbers out of my 835.
I found it weird myself. I think I am gonna get myself a tape measure and get exactly 120 feet and see what the true numbers are. I have an older range finder, and maybe it is off, I don't know.
I have always run 24" pipes on all my turkey 835s. I also polish and deep clean every bbl before I even put a round through it. I have prob 6 boxes of the hevi 5s and I use them more for really thick cover yote and fox loads any more but they'll straight up destroy a turkey!
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on February 21, 2014, 10:43:03 AM
I have always run 24" pipes on all my turkey 835s. I also polish and deep clean every bbl before I even put a round through it. I have prob 6 boxes of the hevi 5s and I use them more for really thick cover yote and fox loads any more but they'll straight up destroy a turkey!
I do the deep clean, but not the polish, and mine is a 20" barrel. I do find them tougher to get huge numbers from. Still throws a mean pattern, and who knows the next shell I send down range just might bust 200+!