was just wondering what kinda luck some of yall have had with chokes in 870's.
I have an Undertaker in my 870 and it shoots a very nice pattern out to about 40 yards with Winchester Supreme 3" #6's. There are so many new choke tubes out there now since I got that one that your options are endless. The Gobble stopper is one I have heard quite a few good things about. The patternmaster is another great choke. If you don't want to spend to much though, the undertaker is around $20-30 and shoots good.
I have an Indian Creek, but it's not what I would call budget. I've heard good things about the undertaker.
I have a buddy that has shoots a factory full with number 4 leads and it patterns great.
I have an 870 that used to be my main turkey gun for years. I always used the factory x-full choke that came with the gun. Hevi shot 3 inch #5's with that choke is a deadly combination.
I had a jellyhead in mine and with hevishot #5's it was a killer.
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Jelly Head 660 for me. You can spend more but you can't buy better for a Rem. 870. Just my opinion. The Indian Creek 665 is a good one but nearly double the price of the Jelly Head. There are many quality chokes out there.
Jellyhead .660 as well for both of my 870's.
TRKYHTR
No doubt in my mind dollar for dollar the Rem .655 Ventilator would by far be the best shooting choke. Jelly Heads cost about twice as much. And in my 28" barrel 870 the Ventilator would beat both the .660 or .665 Jelly Head by quite a bit.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/956890.htm
Jellyhead .660 have worked well in 870's for me.
Gman
I bought a Truglo Gobble Stopper Extreme at Wal-Mart years ago. It's been in my 870 ever since. Think I paid $20 for it at the time? You'll hear good and bad about Truglo. This one happens to work really well for me. BTW, it's a .665
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 10, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
No doubt in my mind dollar for dollar the Rem .655 Ventilator would by far be the best shooting choke. Jelly Heads cost about twice as much. And in my 28" barrel 870 the Ventilator would beat both the .660 or .665 Jelly Head by quite a bit.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/956890.htm
^^^ This ^^^
I shot my first turkey with a pattern master choke tube - OK pattern at 40 yds. Then tried a Primos tight wad, shot 3 turkeys with that one at 35-40 yds. Did fine and for about $20 was better than the patternmaster. My dad bought a Primos Jelly head for his Rem. 11-87. I tried it in my 870 and for 2X the $, I thought I would stick with the Tight Wad, untill I saw the patterns from my buddies Kick's Gobblin' Thunder. That's whats in my gun now and shoots a better pattern that all of the above - but cost more $. All that said, if you are on a budget, the $20 Tight Wad will kill any turkey with-in your effective range (determined by an honest patterning run). Mine worked well at 40 yds. with Winchester 3.5" #5's.
If you plan on shooting htl be sure your choke is rated for it.
I think I paid $23 shipped for my Rem Ventilator .655 choke. Now I don't have it anymore. I gave it to my buddy Mark's, son, Spencer, who needed it more than I did. But here's how that choke would shoot at a tape measured 40yds with a good lot of Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's. This target was a 11" x 11" exactly. Any choke with that load would be hard pressed to beat that at the exact same true distance of 40yds from tip of choke to target.
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Now just to show you how good that truly is since it's sort of hard to tell, here's the backside of that target. It's the one on the left.
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That should put things in better perspective of how well that choke would and can shoot.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 10, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
No doubt in my mind dollar for dollar the Rem .655 Ventilator would by far be the best shooting choke. Jelly Heads cost about twice as much. And in my 28" barrel 870 the Ventilator would beat both the .660 or .665 Jelly Head by quite a bit.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/956890.htm
I've been wanting to try one of these myself sense I went back to lead. I've seen some on here post up some good results with the Ventilator. I've been shooting Hevy 7s with the Jelly Head and getting over 300 in the 10" at 40yrds.. I don't know if it will beat that with Hevy 7s but with the 655 exit diameter it may do better with lead 6s. My 660 Jelly Head didn't like the lead 6s but did well with the 5s.
Quote from: bunk on February 10, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 10, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
No doubt in my mind dollar for dollar the Rem .655 Ventilator would by far be the best shooting choke. Jelly Heads cost about twice as much. And in my 28" barrel 870 the Ventilator would beat both the .660 or .665 Jelly Head by quite a bit.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/956890.htm
I've been wanting to try one of these myself sense I went back to lead. I've seen some on here post up some good results with the Ventilator. I've been shooting Hevy 7s with the Jelly Head and getting over 300 in the 10" at 40yrds.. I don't know if it will beat that with Hevy 7s but with the 655 exit diameter it may do better with lead 6s. My 660 Jelly Head didn't like the lead 6s but did well with the 5s.
Your talking about 3.5" 2.25oz loads of 7's I take it. I'm talking about the 3" 2oz loads.
Here's one I shot with the Ventilator on a cool 45 degree day wiith only a Hevi-13 3" 1.75oz load of 6's at 40yds taped. Again it would take a super great choke to beat that with that small of load in that cool of temp.
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Lotta 870s in the woods among me and my buddies. We have a variety of chokes and looking at all of them on paper, I wouldn't be afraid to go into the woods with any of them. I shoot a Kicks GT .655 with Win Supreme HV 3.5" #5s. One guy shoots a Primos Jellyhead, not sure of the constriction, and it is MEAN. Two other buddies use Indian Creek and heavy stuff...both are NASTY!!! BTW...three of the four guns use the 23" barrel and the Jellyhead is threaded into a 26" barrel.
Primos Jelly Head is very good.
I have three 870 turkey guns, and I mainly use the one that has the Indian Creek BD in it. It's incredible, but I'm considering dropping the dime on a Jellyhead .660. I've never shot it, but too many people like them for it to not be what they say it is. If you are looking for the cheapest, "good" choke, I'd go with the Undertaker, though ILIKEHEVI's pics from the Ventilator are very persuasive as well in that price range. For middle of the road chokes, I'd say go with the Jellyhead or the HEVI-SHOT choke. At the top of the range, I've yet to see one I like better than the IC.
Yes, 31/2-2.25oz 7s but your paper in the pic is 11"x11" with 316 hits on it. Not a 10" circle. Either way the Ventilator looks like a great choke for for $20 if you shoot hevy shot but Rem. recommends lead only. I know just like the Kicks people shoot htl. threw them.
281 in a 10" I think was the best the Ventilator has done at 40yds. That's smokin in my honest opinion from a 2oz load of 7's.
I own the following for my 23" bbl 870 SuperMag:
- Kick's .655
- Primos Jellyhead .665
- Truglo SSX .643
- Rem Ventilator .655
- Rem SF (non Hevi approved) .665
- Rem SF (Hevi approved) .675
With lead, the Kick's .655 is best by a narrow margin. With Hevi-13 (6's or 7's), the Jellyhead .665 is BY FAR the best! But, I found out a few years ago that the winner of the #'s game doesn't automatically make a choke the best choice in a hunting situation. My choke of choice since the beginning of last season has been the the Rem SF (Hevi approved). For my hunting situations, mostly 30 yd shots or less, a slightly more open choke is ideal. Honestly, it all depends on what your hunting situations are like.
To answer your question, for my $ both the Jellyhead .665 and Rem SF (Hevi approved) are both worth having. Now that I have a Burris Speedbead on my 870, I'd have more confidence shooting the tighter patterning Jellyhead .665 than when I was using the Truglo rifle style sights.
anyone use the truglo gobble stopper? got a buddy gonna let me have one but that may not be a good sign
Contact Clark, allaboutshooting he loves those chokes. You could just try your full or modified with Federal flite controls. They could very well be all you need.
Both the Jelly Head .665 and .660 did right at 200 shot in a 10" with Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7 loads out of my 870 at 40yds. That's why I'm not fond of either of the Jelly Head chokes at least in my 28" polished barrel. Now the Jelly Head .690 in my 835 did 268 shot in a 10" with 3.5" Hevi-13 2.25oz #7 loads which isn't bad, and the overall pattern was excellent.
Sumtoy .650
Jellyhead .660
Rhino .660
I run a .660 sumtoy in my 25" 870 and my ole lady shoots a .665 jellyhead. I've got another choke that does good but I like my sumtoy a lil better. It's a .675 Remington hevishot choke. I used to run xtended range through that choke with good results. I've heard that it does well with the heavyweights too. I can't say for sure cuz I never shot em. For the money though you can't go wrong with the jellyhead.
I've had good luck with a kicks.
And here's my other choice. I paid I think a little less than $30 shipped for this MAD Super Max .675 choke. This has been the best shooting Hevi-13 #7 choke I have found in warm temp of 70 degrees or warmer. This is the best it has done at a tape measured 40yds with a 3" Hevi-13 2oz #7 load. That will rival a lot of 3.5" guns with 2.25oz Hevi-13 7's. I originally counted this 10" pattern at 318. But I ended up going with the conservative 297 due to what I thought were snowman pellets. But it's somewhere in that range.
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jellyhead .660
My first bird was killed with a Kick's Gobbling Thunder choke tube and lead shot at 25 yards. I decided to try Nitro shells the next season, so I switched to a Jellyhead choke. I used that for 2 seasons and it did an awesome job on every bird I put a bead on with the Nitros. I heard about Indian Creek chokes and traded them a couple of calls for a choke tube. I have no desire to try anything else. I have shot both the Nitros and HeviShot 5's out of the Indian Creek and have no reason to look any further. After seeing what this combination does, I no longer bother with pellet counts. I have seen it drop a big KS gobbler at a distance "too long" to try again. I'm confident that if I do my job at 40 yards, the bird is going down.
I shoot an 870 and my best paterns are from my Sumtoy .658 and Balistic Specialties .655
Another vote for jelly head .660.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 11, 2013, 06:23:50 AM
Both the Jelly Head .665 and .660 did right at 200 shot in a 10" with Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7 loads out of my 870 at 40yds. That's why I'm not fond of either of the Jelly Head chokes at least in my 28" polished barrel. Now the Jelly Head .690 in my 835 did 268 shot in a 10" with 3.5" Hevi-13 2.25oz #7 loads which isn't bad, and the overall pattern was excellent.
Man that is odd. My 870 with JH 665 (and good lot #'s of Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25 oz) will put low 200's of #6 and low 300's of #7 in a 10" circle @ 40 yds. That proved to be a little too tight for my liking though. I ended up trying the Rem SF (Hevi approved) I got 170's with the same #6's. That combo is not a record breaker but it produces a very even pattern that will smash a gobbler as far as I need to be shooting at em.
Yes it may be. I know a lot of folks say the Jelly Heads shoot great in their 870's. The Indian Creek .665 BDS choke shot just about like both the Jelly Heads at about 200 shot in a 10" at 40yds with Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's. I ended up with a .669 Indian Creek BDS that shot great. Now who would think a .004 difference in choke would make a big difference. But it did in my gun.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 11, 2013, 03:14:56 PM
Yes it may be. I know a lot of folks say the Jelly Heads shoot great in their 870's. The Indian Creek .665 BDS choke shot just about like both the Jelly Heads at about 200 shot in a 10" at 40yds with Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's. I ended up with a .668 Indian Creek BDS that shot great. Now who would think a .003 difference in choke would make a big difference. But it did in my gun.
Yep things like that just don't make sense to me but they happen. Just like when I was trying to find an "accurate" ammo for my CZ 452 22lr. Some guys who shoot the same exact gun would recommend one brand and others would recommend another. What I learned is what was good for other guns wasn't always good for mine. I gotta admit though, all the trial and error testing was fun.
Quote from: neverstopchasin on February 11, 2013, 12:11:59 AM
anyone use the truglo gobble stopper? got a buddy gonna let me have one but that may not be a good sign
I use the Gobble Stopper "Exteme" Diameter is .665. Works really good for me with both Winchesters and Heavy Shot.
When I bought my 870, I tried 3 tubes. The Remington choke that came with the gun, a jelly head, and an Indian Creek. All worked very well, and would easily kill a bird up to 35 yards. I found the Jelly head and the Indian Creek were better at 45 yards. The Indian creek was still good at 60 yards. So i bought the indian creek and have never regretted the purchase. I used the Hevi13, 3" 2oz #6's for my tests. I switched to the Hevi 13 magnum blend last year. WOW, what a differance. Almost decapitated my South Dakota Tom at 40 yards. Any choke tube will kill a bird. I'm partial to my IC