I was in walmart yesterday checking out what they had for ammo and saw these.They were 12 gauge 3" 1 7/8 lead.Had them in 5 and 6 shot.Never had heard of them before.wonder if they're just strut shocks in a different box?They were 9.99 a box.Mite have to give them a whirl for that price!Anybody have any info on them?
I saw them in walmart also. They had them in 3" and 3 1/2" #5's and #6. I couldn't find anywhere on the box that said if they were flight control wads or not.
Look like strut shocks to me.
Yea probably are strut shocks with new packaging.I couldn't tell from the box if it had the flite control wad either.Thanks for the replies!
If anyone buys some cut one open and see. Would be a nice find if they don't have the FCW.
Quote from: Deputy 14 on February 09, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
If anyone buys some cut one open and see. Would be a nice find if they don't have the FCW.
no fcw
ya they are just strut shok in new packaging.
Has anybody had any luck patterning them?
I have a mosseberg 535 with 20" barrel and factory X Factor choke and they shot similar to the Winchester grey box 1 7/8 #6 copper. Winchester #6's put an average of 100 pellets on a sheet of printer paper @ 40yds, and the lead Federal 1 7/8 #6's put an average of 90 pellets @ 40yds. They have a standard pedal type wad, not the FCW. They performed exactly like I expected to comparing buffered lead to copper coated buffered lead.
Tested the 3-1 7/8-6 strut shok last year. With a polished 24" barrel charles daly maxi mag with a JH .660 the best it put up at a lasered 40 was 141 in the 10". Two other shots were in the low to mid 130's. I was very happy with that!
anybody know if the 20ga is the same price as the 12
guess I'll be going to wally world
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 13, 2013, 09:17:48 PM
anybody know if the 20ga is the same price as the 12
guess I'll be going to wally world
I don't believe federal makes a strut shok for 20. Still the best federal lead shell is their wing shok pheasant 3-1.25-6 copper plate buffered without flight control wad. If your 20 shoots FCW good, I would shoot the 20 mag shok lead #6's.
was in my local wally world the other night and I saw the turkey thug ammo behind the counter and they had 20ga
Quote from: devin4484 on February 10, 2013, 01:59:06 PM
ya they are just strut shok in new packaging.
I saw on another forum where they cut one of each open and the turkey thug had more powder and buffer than the strut shok, I will look for it and post what they said about it
This came from a respected sorce they cut one of each open - This is a Qoute from the other forum!
guys i had a bud get some of this ammo and he came over 2nite and we cut the tops off and......
TURKEY THUGS : 3" : powder 49.2 : buffer 17.0 : 1 7/8 #6's lead shot 1.894.oz : fps 1210
THE BLUE BOX : 3" : powder 36.5 : buffer (very little) : 1 7/8 #6's lead shot 1.880 : fps 1210
both had same wad cup but the blue box shells had a higher Gas Seal , hull and primers same.
powder looked the same. we will shoot them in a few weeks.
At my local wal mart they have this ammo in 20 gauge with 1.25 oz #5 shot only. I would have bought some had they had it in 6's. $9.99 for 12 or 20 gauge.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 14, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
was in my local wally world the other night and I saw the turkey thug ammo behind the counter and they had 20ga
Cool, I'm gonna hafta check em out. My Walmart don't have'em yet, and I was looking on federal's website and didn't see them. I wanna try them in my compact 870 20ga.
All I am gonna say about the turkey thugs in the 3.5-2-6 is the 1 shell I shot was the best pattern I have ever had from lead @ 40 yards. But before I talk to good about them I wanna shoot at least 2 more to make sure that all of them shoot like the first one did , if they do I will go back and buy the rest of the 3.5" #6's they have..
I looked at them a little while ago. $9.99 per box of 10.
Buffered Lead Shot, Not Copper-Plated (Just Like Remington Nitro Turkey), but in a Federal Hull and Federal Wad.
I hate the Remington Nitros, but I hope the Federals shoot good. Please tell me they do.
Yikes!Did you guys see the post over on the turkey gun forum?Wad stuck in barrel, powder loooked to have oil in it!I picked up a box the other day in 5# 12 gauge,haven't shot them yet hope they go off!
I didn't see the nothing about it but they went boom out of my gun. I will go ahead and post the pic once I get it off my phone. I didn't want to until I shot them a few more times. But they patterned very well in my 835
Looking forward to the pattern pics.Can't wait to get out to do some shooting myself!Just been too windy when i did have time to go out.Don't mind shooting in the cold but i absolutly hate trying to shoot in the wind!
Well folks here it is I wasn't gonna post this until I shot them again because the count seemed kinda high but anyway here they are @40 yards out of a 24" 835 with a pure gold .670. I could not find what I normally mark the circle with so I had to find something else and the circle came out to 10.25" ...This was a 3.5-2-6 load (http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af355/BAMAMUDIGGER/2013-02-15190329_zps16525c74.jpg)
Not cool about the wet powder or whatever caused the misfire on the turkey guns board. That said, ericjames, that is one heck of a pattern! Looks like I will have to pick up a couple boxes.
I wanna shoot a few more to see if this was a fluke or something but if I shoot 2 more and they shoot like this , my local walmart will have a ammo shortage on the turkey thugs because I will go buy every box they have. Now I will say this is 1/4" bigger circle so that's makes up for a few pellets but that's all I could find to mark it with
They are OLD SCHOOL. :z-winnersmiley: We have a good load for the smaller bore guns now. We test fired one today. Looks good at 40.
what kind of numbers did you get William or did you count
We did not count them. The wind was way to high to really see a good number count. It was a new choke lay out also. We had a 665 in the SBE with 3inch 5's. It will roll him at 40.
William, what choke style and dimensions would you recommend with the 20 gauge strut shok/thug 6s in a TC Encore pro hunter?
If I see some locally, I may give a box a try just to shoot something different. Those Plain Lead 6's might be a good experiment for my GT .650 choke.
Quote from: SumToy on February 18, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
We did not count them. The wind was way to high to really see a good number count. It was a new choke lay out also. We had a 665 in the SBE with 3inch 5's. It will roll him at 40.
That's good to hear, I was gonna compare the old federals to these but I just cant make myself cut one up, but just looking at the hull they look identical. I had to go check the box to figure out. I wanna shoot the 5's also but in the 3.5" I just like a heavy payload in my 835
They will work out of any choke that shoots the HV13 good. I think in our choke it will be the 562-3.
Has anybody seen these in 3"-2-6s for the 12 gauge? Many thanks cluck
Far as I know 1 7/8 is heaviest payload in 3". 2oz. in 3.5. Give'em a try for the price, you might be suprised.
Got a box of 3"17/8 6s. Got to wait on a warmer day. cluck
I shot the 3 17/8 6 from a stoeger m2000 24" barrel today at 40. Got 131 in 10" with kicks .665. Not bad for $10 a box. Good even pattern as well
I grabbed the wrong box, wanted the 3.5" 2oz load but got the 3" 1 7/8oz......always a good idea to read the box.
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I will pick up some of the 3" 1 7/8 Oz. #6's and try through a .650, .655, and .665 in my 870.
Quote from: RAJ on February 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I seriously doubt that!
My local WM only had 1 case of #4's in 3" 12 gauge, 1 case of #5's in 3" 20 gauge, and 1 case of 3.5" 12 gauge. I'm not buying any more #4's.
Quote from: Daman on February 21, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: RAJ on February 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I seriously doubt that!
I bet they are, most on that show when asked what kind of shell they shot, replied #5.
The big tv hunters surprisingly still shoot lead
Quote from: Rockhound on February 23, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Daman on February 21, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: RAJ on February 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I seriously doubt that!
I bet they are, most on that show when asked what kind of shell they shot, replied #5.
The big tv hunters surprisingly still shoot lead
what is surprising about that,lead has been taking turkeys for years and years
I have alot of lead shells bought up and will be hunting with it this year,I took my birds last year with 20ga lead shells that cost less than a dollar a shell.
birds are not armor plated,nor do they wear bullet proof vest
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 23, 2013, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: Rockhound on February 23, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Daman on February 21, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: RAJ on February 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I seriously doubt that!
I bet they are, most on that show when asked what kind of shell they shot, replied #5.
The big tv hunters surprisingly still shoot lead
what is surprising about that,lead has been taking turkeys for years and years
I have alot of lead shells bought up and will be hunting with it this year,I took my birds last year with 20ga lead shells that cost less than a dollar a shell.
birds are not armor plated,nor do they wear bullet proof vest
Oh i 100% agree i have big lead stockpile, im shooting htl now but its only a matter of time before its to pricey and when the pile is gone ill shoot it again. It doesn't bother to me to shoot it and if im in a place where i know the shots will be under 30 yds like my farm for example, i still put lead in the tube and save the htl for more open areas
Quote from: Rockhound on February 24, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 23, 2013, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: Rockhound on February 23, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Daman on February 21, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: RAJ on February 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
I have only seen 3" #5 loads for the 20 gauge at my nearest WalMart.
I also noted that they were going through Haas sp? Outdoor World in Mississippi.
Do you suppose that all the Thugs are using these shot this spring?
I seriously doubt that!
I bet they are, most on that show when asked what kind of shell they shot, replied #5.
The big tv hunters surprisingly still shoot lead
what is surprising about that,lead has been taking turkeys for years and years
I have alot of lead shells bought up and will be hunting with it this year,I took my birds last year with 20ga lead shells that cost less than a dollar a shell.
birds are not armor plated,nor do they wear bullet proof vest
Oh i 100% agree i have big lead stockpile, im shooting htl now but its only a matter of time before its to pricey and when the pile is gone ill shoot it again. It doesn't bother to me to shoot it and if im in a place where i know the shots will be under 30 yds like my farm for example, i still put lead in the tube and save the htl for more open areas
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I hunt with the exact same game plan
Took my 870 12ga. with ventalator .655 and 3-17/8-6s thugs and put 82 hits in 10 in inchs at 40 yds. Then replaced ventalator with rem. super full .665 and same load and put 100 even in 10 inch at forty. Super full was good even pattern. I have a rem. extra full .687? But didn't try it. Going to basspro saturday. If you were buying, what choke would you buy? Have shot some winchester shells and put up to maybe 110 in 10" with these same chokes. Would be completly satisfied if I could reach 120ish with 3-2oz.6s. Thanks a many. cluck
I have three 870's, one 3" express and two super mags and they all like my Jellyhead .665 with Winchester hv 3.5/2/5's in the super mags and grey box 5's in the three inch gun. That choke will run you about $60. The two super mags average around 110 to 120 in ten at forty. Can't remember exact count with the 3" gun but i remember it being similar to that.
I picked up a box of 3 1/2in. 2oz. #5 Turkey Thugs and a box of 3 1/2in. 2 1/4oz. #5 with the FCW. From the sounds of it I should have just stuck with the Turkey Thugs. We shall see. Hoping to get a chance to shoot them later in the week.
QuoteGoing to basspro saturday. If you were buying, what choke would you buy?
The Indian Creek .665 is probably the best RemChoke Turkey choke you'll find at Bass Pro. Others would be the Jelly Head and the Gobblin' Thunder. BPS doesn't sell Pure Gold chokes.
Saw these the other night. Sounds like some shot okay and some not at all!
Which shell do you guys reckon would shoot best out of an 870 SM with a PG choke?
i was wondering the same thing i have some of each just thought they were same the numbers on the box say they are .