We went to Dicks Sporting Goods & Wal - Mart tonight & all AR style rifles have been pulled from the shelves. Orders from Corporate headquarters.
Not all Walmart stores are doing this. There were at least three ar's at our local Wally World last night. I put money down on a colt at a local shop last night too. I've considered buying several mags and maybe one or two lowers. These people are turning a tragedy into a political battle which is a crying shame. No doubt they were waiting for an event like this to happen.
I thought they'd pulled them at my local Wal-Mart till the manager told me they had sold 18 ARs in the last three two days. SOLD OUT! I noticed they had no .223 ammo either and he said they'd sold 18,000 rounds since saturday. He didn't know how long it would take to get restocked. He didn't give me the impression Wal Mart planned on taking any ARs out of their case.
It's already starting.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/19/16020864-obama-demands-concrete-proposals-on-gun-violence-by-january
Notice the word gun violence was the first thing the lefts use. Now the root cause should read that sick, emotionally disturbed, crazy, or people that do not fit in our society will be dealt with whatever means necessary to make sure this don't happen again. It's the crazy people that kill people in these type of tragedies. Some idiots just don't understand that.
Dick's never sold assault rifles.
They sold semi-auto rifles that the liberals and media have erroneously labeled as assault rifles.
I posted this comment on another thread, but I was talking to my step dad yesterday and our gunsmith (who is a wholesale dealer) was trying to sell him a Kel-Tec P-11. My step dad wanted something else and after a week of looking the dealer couldn't find any of the other ones due to them being sold out. They are flying off the shelves faster than they are being produced.
Looks like a Kel-Tec 9mm is in my future, but no complaints here.
The gunsmith also said that right before and after the election he had his biggest month ever in gun sales since being in business for 25 years.
I do business with this guy because he is a good gunsmith and a Vietnam veteran.
Anyhow, get them while they are hot!
Quote from: Turkey Trot on December 20, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
Dick's never sold assault rifles.
They sold semi-auto rifles that the liberals and media have erroneously labeled as assault rifles.
I thought AK's & Bushmasters were considered assault rifles !!!
Quote from: vaturkey on December 20, 2012, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Turkey Trot on December 20, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
Dick's never sold assault rifles.
They sold semi-auto rifles that the liberals and media have erroneously labeled as assault rifles.
I thought AK's & Bushmasters were considered assault rifles !!!
Yes, but only according to the Clinton ban...that didn't do a @#$ing thing but the triple the price of everything. >:(
Personally, I don't want or NEED an assault rifle, and I won't miss those particular style of guns if they are outlawed. Two friends have them and i have had fun target shooting them before. You never saw firearms like these when i was growing up in the 60s and 70s. Friends, relatives and I read outdoor magazines, hunted and shot at targets (mostly paper targets, bottles, phone books, milk jugs with water, etc.), but I never knew anyone that had an assault rifle. So they are a fairly recent addition to the firearms that are available.
So why do we NEED them anyway? Why do we need access to any darn thing that goes BANG? I have always thought that fishing with a hand grenade or RPG might be fun and productive, and it would certainly be great for "self defense", but do i have a legal right to have one, and more importantly, should I? NO
I have hunted since I got a BB gun at age 5 (over 50 yrs ago) and will continue to as long as i can.
Sorry they are a semi -auto sporting rifle. Why do I need one ? My 2A rights says i can
REV you said it! Its people that see this as okay to ban something that are gonna be the first to cry when they take another freedom that affects them personally. Big brother's laws will not keep you safe,you have to be able to rely on yourself untill locals LEO can show up.
Sorry, but assault rifles are not necessarily semi-automatic sporting rifles. It seems that many folks think that our second amendment rights apply to anything that goes BANG. Why don't our second amendment rights apply to fully automatic guns? An assault rifle with a high-capacity magazine can fire almost as fast as fully automatic version. Very little difference. I have shot one about that fast before.
We need to get beyond the political rhetoric that we have been feeding ourselves for the last 20 yrs or so, or the anti-hunting, anti-gun general public will outlaw REAL semi-automatic hunting guns like the Remington 7600, or 1100 shotgun. Where on earth does reason fit into this discussion?
What is the difference between a sport aka assault rifle like a AR15 chambered in a .22cal LR and my Ruger 10/22 ,nothing except the looks of it.
But what I'm afraid is, you give them a inch, they will finally take a foot.
I remember when they started a smoking ban,
First it was ONLY going to be banned on airplanes,
Then it was in restaurants.
Then it was the bars.
Now in some places it's in public.
What's next, you can only smoke in your bed, under the covers, with the lights off, and can only use a flash light?
When do you finally tell the government, to quit telling me how to run my life , OH wait a minute they know how to run my life better then Me, I forgot
Sorry, I like driving my full size pickup, I can't pack my stuff in a volt when I go turkey hunting
But my truck maybe against the law here pretty soon
We got enough gun laws, we just need to enforce them
The government will allow you to buy fully automatic rifles,but you have to have a classIII lic
Its just the simple fact that our freedoms are slowly being taken away,when there isnt a need for it. Its a choice to commit a crime,and thats the bottom line. The tools or (weapons,if applied) are not the blame and in no point need another law to restrict them. For example,A teenager in LOS ANGELES(which has strict gun laws even airsoft guns) Stab his own mother and father with a BBQ fork. Now are we to outlaw cookware cause of this? No! And I live in Socal and know that is pretty easy to get an illegal gun in the streets. I have been offered them to me and have turned around and alerted LEO,and nothing came of it. Now like REV said its time to enforce the law not make new ones.
look Oconeeguy,
I truly understand your point, the shooting probley is the worst thing that could EVER happen to a parent,or any family, and I pray that it will never ever happen again, but it wont and new laws will not stop it. We are turning into a self -centered and have been a fallen world.
You made your point and I hope I made my point, let's shake hands and I will say Merry Christmas to you and your family.
WAIT a minute, is saying Merry Christmas against the law now or is it happy holidays, oh no I can say Merry Christmas, I think, ( just kidding )
To all here on old gobbler. MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and you family, be safe
The second amendment was not put there to make sure we have sporting guns. It was put there to make sure we have weapons to protect ourself. An 1100 won't do you much good aganst a gang with AKs. Reason don't fit in anywhere. Thats why we're in this mess. Last time I looked, cocane was aganst the law. How much do you want? Nobody at that school had a weapon to protect themselves. That was the problem. But we're supposed to be good little liberals and vote for some more gun laws. Evil is here,always has been and always will be. We should be able to protect ourselves aganst it. What is a criminal anyway? Somebody who don't care what the law is. Sorry about the rant. Maybe turkey season will be here soon.
FYI to the left wing liberal idiots in Washington: Gun control is not the issue, Idiot control IS!!!! They should know best because idiots that are out of control is the reason this country is in the shape its in!! Just my 2 cents worth.
Well stated Rev. You made some good points. I read once that if guns cause shootings, then pencils cause mispellings. The general public needs to understand that.
Hope you and the rest of us old gobblers have a very Merry Christmas.
I have heard the argument about the 2nd ammendment relating to muskets, not assault rifles. That argument doesn't hold water. The 2nd ammendment related to citizens being able to protect themselves from any threat from aggressors. The point was made in this thread about the weapons that modern day aggressors might have.
It amazes me that people who call themselves "progressives" or "forward thinkers" would rely on such a completely ignorant argument about "assault rifles" not being protected by the 2nd ammendment.
When the "AR" argument comes up, my first thoughts are about a gentleman I am proud to call my friend. He is retired from the Arkansas State Police and was a sniper/counter sniper. You will not meet a more humble, gentle and accomodating man. I have enjoyed having numerous conversations with him about building predator calls, which is one of his passions. He owns and uses AR rifles to hunt predators. He has commented that no other game animals give him the challenge that predators give. I also had the privelege of going on a predator hunt with him on a high fence ranch. The operators were having problems with predators killing their baby goat and deer species, which cost him considerable potential income. We were invited to stay on the ranch for a weekend at no cost for the purpose of hunting coyotes/bobcats. We went through numerous "setups" on different parts of the property with no success. We were in our last setup of the day. Myself and another guy were just about to get up and gather our gear to head back. Joe made a quiet noise to get our attention and motioned for us to get down. He pointed ahead of where we had been watching. A coyote "loped" over the ridge about 80 yards in front of us and turned, hesitating for less than a second when BOOM! Joe rolled the coyote with a .204 Ruger AR.
Let me tell you... If it was a playground "choose teams" scenario of picking who I would want to protect me and mine... Joe would be my first choice.
I think about our government trying to round up "assault rifles". Here is a man who has served his state and country by putting his life on the line. He has stories to tell... I can't imagine someone trying to take his AR away from him. They would need to bring military grade equipment... Back to our coyote hunt... The coyote that Joe "sniped" at 80 yards lay with its head rolling around as a nerve reaction. He said "I can't stand to see that." He pulled a little North American Arms .22 mini-revolver out of his front pocket and said "cover your ears". He dispatched the coyote quickly. I remarked "I always wondered what those little guns were good for." Joe looked me in the eye and with all seriousness stated "5 men", then turned to pick up the coyote. You know what? I believe him.
As others have stated, banning specific firearms or high-capacity magazines will not stop the problem in this country. It sickens me that liberals would stoop to using raw emotion from such a tragedy to advance the agenda they have had all along. The problem is the heart of man...
Genesis 6:5 MSG
The Message
God saw that human evil was out of control. People thought evil, imagined evil - evil, evil, evil from morning to night.
This verse was just before God flooded the earth and destroyed all but one family... Sadly, I think we have come full circle.
Amen lights out!!
There are a lot of hunting opportunites on the AR platform. .458 SOCOM is perfect for deer and hogs. .223 is great for coyotes and other varmints.
Just because you try to limit the number of guns sold in store to law abiding citizens doesn't mean criminals can't get their hand on guns. Organized crime in the UK formed a very lucritive business after their ban. They starting importing guns from Germany to sell to criminals and made tons of money on the deal.
The biggest problem with ARs is the name. The media runs with the Assault Rifle title and makes it look like a fully automatic weapon. Next thing you know is my Ruger 10/22 will be banned since its a semiautomatic weapon. I'll be shooting squirrels with my bow.
My Walmart was sold out of AR's and 223 ammo. They will get more in has they come available. I love my AR-15. It is a fun rifle to shoot. It is cheaper than my 270 to shoot. Plus I hunt with my AR-15. I hunt coyote and deer with mine. My 12 year old daughter took her first deer this year with my AR-15. I plan on building another one if the parts become. A buddy of mine took two deer with his new Colt AR-15. His Dad took 3 deer with his this year. My buddies neice took a deer with his Dad's AR-15 this year. AR-15 guns are a good hunting rifle. Wish I would have gotten one sooner.
I found to metion I am see alot of AK-47's and SKS semi-automatic rifles still for sell. Those are fun to shoot too.
I hate it when people tell me that I dont need that. I may not need it,but maybe I just want it. People dont need a Corvette,Lexus, but they want one.I find it troubling that a fellow hunter and gun owner would say it wouldnt bother them if they banned all so called assult weapons.I dont own a vett but if they decided to ban them, then it would bother me.These people who couldnt tell the difference between an 870 or a 22 bolt action are deciding what we "need".I will tell them,when the tyrants in washington turn theirs in, so will I. The 2nd A is NOT about hunting,it is to insure we as a people keep free fom tyrants like we have now.We the people better wake up or these "little"steps will affect every one of us and our families.Never trust a Gov.that doesnt trust you.
Quote from: Turkey Trot on December 20, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
Dick's never sold assault rifles.
They sold semi-auto rifles that the liberals and media have erroneously labeled as assault rifles.
Thank you. That term drives me nuts. Before the Brady Bill that term was a military term used to describe select fire (full/semi-auto) rifles. Since then the anti-gun crowd has adopted it in an attempt to make guns sound scary...assigning it to pretty much all tactical looking guns. They have effectively made the term so commonplace that even some of the most passionate gun owners are using it.
Quote from: Oconeeguy on December 20, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
So why do we NEED them anyway?
Simple. Because the bad guys have them. I want to be at least on the same playing field.
If you can assure me that a Semi-automatic weapon will never fall into the hands of a bad guy again, then and only then, consider getting rid of mine. If you can convince me that bad guys will never get their hands on a magazine holding XX number of rounds again, I will then and only then consider getting rid of mine.
Quote from: Oconeeguy on December 20, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
Why don't our second amendment rights apply to fully automatic guns?
It does. it is perfectly (in most states)legal for you to own a fully automatic gun. In TN all you need is to pass a background check and buy a $200 class 3 stamp. (then 6-12K for the gun that is the hardest part for most of us) No if you want to
deal in full-auto guns its a whole different ballgame(inspections, certifications etc...).
Quote from: Oconeeguy on December 20, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
Personally, I don't want or NEED an assault rifle, and I won't miss those particular style of guns if they are outlawed. Two friends have them and i have had fun target shooting them before. You never saw firearms like these when i was growing up in the 60s and 70s. Friends, relatives and I read outdoor magazines, hunted and shot at targets (mostly paper targets, bottles, phone books, milk jugs with water, etc.), but I never knew anyone that had an assault rifle. So they are a fairly recent addition to the firearms that are available.
So why do we NEED them anyway? Why do we need access to any darn thing that goes BANG? I have always thought that fishing with a hand grenade or RPG might be fun and productive, and it would certainly be great for "self defense", but do i have a legal right to have one, and more importantly, should I? NO
I have hunted since I got a BB gun at age 5 (over 50 yrs ago) and will continue to as long as i can.
To clarify, these ar style guns have been around for 50+ years. Why all the sudden are they bad?
Second, do you turkey hunt with that same bb gun?
Quote from: Oconeeguy on December 20, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
Sorry, but assault rifles are not necessarily semi-automatic sporting rifles. It seems that many folks think that our second amendment rights apply to anything that goes BANG. Why don't our second amendment rights apply to fully automatic guns? An assault rifle with a high-capacity magazine can fire almost as fast as fully automatic version. Very little difference. I have shot one about that fast before.
We need to get beyond the political rhetoric that we have been feeding ourselves for the last 20 yrs or so, or the anti-hunting, anti-gun general public will outlaw REAL semi-automatic hunting guns like the Remington 7600, or 1100 shotgun. Where on earth does reason fit into this discussion?
So far reason hasnt fit with anything youve said...
Tell me why the color and shape of a gun dictates it's usefulness as compared to the ones you mentioned? Why are the ones you mention any more qualified to be a hunting gun and not an evil assault weapon? Others will view those guns as bad too bud and they will want to unjustly take them from us too. Believe it!
Quote from: rev on December 20, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
What is the difference between a sport aka assault rifle like a AR15 chambered in a .22cal LR and my Ruger 10/22 ,nothing except the looks of it.
But what I'm afraid is, you give them a inch, they will finally take a foot.
I remember when they started a smoking ban,
First it was ONLY going to be banned on airplanes,
Then it was in restaurants.
Then it was the bars.
Now in some places it's in public.
What's next, you can only smoke in your bed, under the covers, with the lights off, and can only use a flash light?
When do you finally tell the government, to quit telling me how to run my life , OH wait a minute they know how to run my life better then Me, I forgot
Sorry, I like driving my full size pickup, I can't pack my stuff in a volt when I go turkey hunting
But my truck maybe against the law here pretty soon
We got enough gun laws, we just need to enforce them
The government will allow you to buy fully automatic rifles,but you have to have a classIII lic
You said it exactly. I don't agree on the smoking because it's basically up to the businesses to decide. That's fine with me because I like my family and I to breath while we eat. I see the point you are making though and agree.
Quote from: longspur on December 21, 2012, 08:05:18 AM
The second amendment was not put there to make sure we have sporting guns. It was put there to make sure we have weapons to protect ourself. An 1100 won't do you much good aganst a gang with AKs. Reason don't fit in anywhere. Thats why we're in this mess. Last time I looked, cocane was aganst the law. How much do you want? Nobody at that school had a weapon to protect themselves. That was the problem. But we're supposed to be good little liberals and vote for some more gun laws. Evil is here,always has been and always will be. We should be able to protect ourselves aganst it. What is a criminal anyway? Somebody who don't care what the law is. Sorry about the rant. Maybe turkey season will be here soon.
Also very good points.
Sorry for all the quotes. I was late to this party lol. Lightsout has once again impressed me with his wisdom and the way he backed up his claim.
These ar's are no more or less dangerous than any other weapon. Ever hear of an accidental shooting that involved more than one shot? Me neither. The bottom line is bad guys will get what they want!!! The good guys will be lucky to defend themselves with slingshots if democratic liberal liars and sheep have there way. My xd9 has 16 rounds in it ready to protect my family if need be. Do you think they wont try to take that also? I can buzz lead out of it pretty darn quick too.
I bought a colt 6920 for coyote hunting, plinking, and defense. I'm hoping my oldest boy (9yo) takes his first deer with it during youth season. Also they are lego guns. Tons of configurations and possibility's as far as accessorizing and building the exact gun you want. No other gun out there lends itself to this. None.
This ban isn't at all about gun control. It's about control.
Do you honestly think they would stop at ARs given the chance. Say they ban ARs and try to get folks to turn them in (fat chance). Then some guy goes into a school with a 870 loaded full of OO buck. The 870s will be the next thing they will be after. Soon you will be hunting with single shots, sling shots, and bows. Glad I bought my AR before the rush. Getting ready to put some pmags on gunbroker. Can't believe what people are paying for them.
Quote from: Oconeeguy on December 20, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
Personally, I don't want or NEED an assault rifle, and I won't miss those particular style of guns if they are outlawed. Two friends have them and i have had fun target shooting them before. You never saw firearms like these when i was growing up in the 60s and 70s. Friends, relatives and I read outdoor magazines, hunted and shot at targets (mostly paper targets, bottles, phone books, milk jugs with water, etc.), but I never knew anyone that had an assault rifle. So they are a fairly recent addition to the firearms that are available.
So why do we NEED them anyway? Why do we need access to any darn thing that goes BANG? I have always thought that fishing with a hand grenade or RPG might be fun and productive, and it would certainly be great for "self defense", but do i have a legal right to have one, and more importantly, should I? NO
I have hunted since I got a BB gun at age 5 (over 50 yrs ago) and will continue to as long as i can.
I'm much like you. I don't own a .223 of any style. I actually owned a Colt AR-15 for a while in the 80's, but never even shot it. However, there is danger in your thinking. A couple of adages come to mind. One is "divide and conquer" and the other is the quote about "hang together, or we must certainly hang separately". If we don't ALL support the rights of others to own and shoot whatever type of firearm they choose to own, the anti's will simply chip away bit by bit. I think hunting turkeys with a crossbow or muzzleloading shotgun would likely be challenging, but I don't particularly want to be forced to use them exclusively. First, assault type rifles, next it will be all semi-auto's (remember, to an anti, automatic is automatic), then shoot, why would anyone have a need for a handgun? You can't go deer hunting with a snubnose .38 anyway. Right?
Sorry Oconeeguy, the last time I looked, it was STILL the "Bill of Rights not the bill of needs".
CT Spur Collector: Life Endowment Member, NRA!
I always like to listen closely when this crap takes place. The gun grabbers always say " were not interested in taking or restricting your hunting rifles and shotguns". I always say "right, NOT YET".
It's coming. Get prepared.
Let's just remember. In the next few weeks we will start to get some type idea what will happen to our rights.
And since the forum covers every state, we will need to keep track of every Senator and Congressman or Congresswoman that votes against the 2A and make sure this vote puts them out of a lifelong job.
I have always voted straight party and this is the first time I thinking of splitting my vote.
Call or email them to let them know.
This my friend will be the start, they must remember that they work for US and that we don't work for them
If we let Government get to big, there will be no stopping them, on anything
IMO Lapierre is making the wrong argument with the idea of armed guards in every school. With school budget cuts in alot of districts I don`t think his case is going to get alot of traction. Here`s an idea why don`t we train some of the school administration; who would be interested; on handgun safety. Give them a permit to carry in the school. This may curb the idea in some persons mind to trying something stupid.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/
This a very good read but long, take the time to understand it
Quote from: lmbhngr on December 23, 2012, 05:59:28 PM
IMO Lapierre is making the wrong argument with the idea of armed guards in every school. With school budget cuts in alot of districts I don`t think his case is going to get alot of traction. Here`s an idea why don`t we train some of the school administration; who would be interested; on handgun safety. Give them a permit to carry in the school. This may curb the idea in some persons mind to trying something stupid.
Clinton said that in the 90s and was called a genius,but the NRA says it and they are the devil, hmm.Ya know if this Gov.would quit sending our tax money to places that hate us,maybe we could afford armed security,after all they always say"its for the children".