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Title: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: ILIKEHEVI-13 on December 04, 2012, 08:51:09 AM
Read this.  She's got it down pat. 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/kansas-city-chiefs-jovan-belcher-suicide-murder-no-reason-to-take-away-rights-120512
Title: Re: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: Eric Gregg on December 04, 2012, 10:49:10 AM
Well written and well stated article
Title: Re: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: tomstopper on December 04, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
Now this lady has intelligence.. Great article.
Title: Re: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: Turkey Trot on December 04, 2012, 03:52:34 PM
I disagree with her contention that it's guns that are "dangerous."

It's people that are dangerous.  Guns don't jump off the wall and kill people on their own, they have no free will and capacity to form mental intent, and they have no arms and legs that allow them to physically carry out acts of violence.  Criminals are dangerous.  Kids and people that don't know how to handle guns or don't respect them are dangerous. 

Guns are just inanimate objects with various forms of potential and nothing more on their own.  The same as baseball bats, forks, knives, clubs, hickory sticks, 2x4 lumber, automobiles, etc., etc.
Title: Re: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: aristico on December 04, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
I will respectfully disagree with you. A gun is a dangerous object. You can drop it and it could go off and kill/hurt someone. Someone could slip with a knife in their hand and hurt themself. A person could step on a baseball bat laying on the floor and bust their head open and so on and so forth. It just becomes more dangerous in the hands of someone intent on hurting people.

Lets not nitpick what this lady said. She is obviously someone with some sense in her head unlike Jason Whitlock  who wrote the original article that that moron Bob Costas was talking about.
Title: Re: Jen Floyd Engel-One Smart Cookie
Post by: Turkey Trot on December 05, 2012, 11:44:32 AM
Quote from: aristico on December 04, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
I will respectfully disagree with you. A gun is a dangerous object. You can drop it and it could go off and kill/hurt someone. Someone could slip with a knife in their hand and hurt themself. A person could step on a baseball bat laying on the floor and bust their head open and so on and so forth. It just becomes more dangerous in the hands of someone intent on hurting people.

Lets not nitpick what this lady said. She is obviously someone with some sense in her head unlike Jason Whitlock  who wrote the original article that that moron Bob Costas was talking about.

Your analysis is facile.  In each example you give, you demonstrate my point better than the one you wish to make.  It's true because in each and every one, you have to interject humans and variable conduct, like clumsiness in gun handling and neglect in leaving a bat lying around or not watching where one is stepping and falling on it.  Under your view, a tree limb or a submerged stone is a dangerous thing because someone could step on them, slip, fall, and hit their head.  Coca cola or orange juice on the kitchen floor can cause an elder o fall, break hip,go in the hospital, and die of a bloodclot.  Are coke or OJ really dangerous?  No, but the neglect in spilling it and leaving it and not watching where one is walking can get one hurt.   

It's the human conduct that matters, irrespective of whether it is piano strings, firewood, a phone cord, hands, feet, or a gun.

Just consider the FBI's recent stats on violent deaths.  More people the US die of injuries from hands and feet than shotguns and rifles combined.  Handguns kill more than those combined.