Hey gang,
In another thread, a month or two ago I posted up a thread showing a new load that will be out in stores starting in July called SPEED BALL by Hevi-Shot. I'll post this info again from EM so everyone can check it out, and know a little about it when the time comes to compare gear for the season ahead. It contains the updated box design that will be found in stores
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Here is a cut-away of the shell. It has three major innovations:
1. Speed Ball? ? an elastomeric ball in the base of the wad that accelerates pellets without boosting chamber pressures (patent pending).
2. MV? pellet that sits in the base of the shell ? copper-clad, steel-core pellets that are Heavier Than Steel? but with a soft, dense outer copper layer fuzed to the steel, metallurgically. This gives us about 22 times the copper thickness of copper-plated lead or steel; you just can't get this kind of copper thickness without the proprietary technology we're using. The copper raises the density of the pellet. Patent pending. Copper plating puts a copper coating on the pellet that is roughly 1/6 of the thickness of a sheet of paper.
3. HEVI-Shot layer on top. 6 existing patents.
So we use the layer technology of HEVI-Metal, the density of Heavier Than Lead? and Heavier Than Steel?, and the new Speed Ball? technology to get really fast speeds safely.
The benefits to the hunter:
Higher pellet counts in the 30-inch circle than you get with HEVI-Shot.
Nearly matches the lethal energy of HEVI-Shot, pellet size for pellet size, out to 60 yards (but far exceeds the energy of anything else).
Cheaper than HEVI-Shot, more than $1/shell cheaper.
Product Pellet Speed (fps) Pellets in 30" Circle Energy (ft-lbs)
At 40 yards
12-ga., 3", 1.25 oz BB 1635 90 886
12-ga., 3:, 1.25 oz 1 1635 120 808
12-ga., 3:, 1.25 oz 3 1635 167 722
12-ga., 3:, 1.25 oz 5 1635 245 630
The product will also come in 12-ga., 3.5", 1.5 oz, 1650 fps rounds in BB, 1, 3, and 5.
The approx price will be $21 for the 3in load, and $25 for the 3.5
Thanks for posting...just put a couple of cases of Hevi-Metal in the gun safe.A case of this wouldn't hurt either.
boxes of 10 or 25?
They will be in 10ct boxes.
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I look forward to seeing it on the store shelf. Bet those #5's would be potent medicine up close!
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That looks like some good stuff. But I think I'll stick with my Remington Sportmans Hi-Speed loads and save LOTS of money.
I'm looking forward to the #5's myself. Part of the fun in duck hunting is pushing yourself to the max, and having multiple chances at pulling the trigger. New loads and such add to the fun for me. Good luck to you this season.
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on June 21, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
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Negative.
Spammers don't usually come back and chat with the other members. There is no link directing anyone to a site to buy cheap Nike's from Asia.
This is an informative post to show members a brand new option that they can look forward to in the upcoming months, when they will be patterning guns and getting ready for the Waterfowl seasons ahead. I don't care what they end up buying, as it's their choice. Times are tough out there, and people will shoot the best that they can afford, or what works best in their guns. I respect that. I just had the chance to show them a new choice that they may or may not have even known about.
I hope to see the return of the Waterfowl Thread on here, so we can all keep in touch, and share success pics, sunrises, and good times, as well as stories over the course of the season ahead.
Let me clarify the portion made bold:
Not everyone decoys ducks, so to say that "The whole idea" to do so, is a bit much. Some people like to "Jump Shoot" in swamps, while roaming around the area and calling. Some people like to paddle around in a kayak or sneak boat, looking for birds. That is a physical activity, and the more you do it, the more you are "pushing yourself to the max". That means your body, not exactly your gun, or maximum range.
If the daily limit is say, six ducks, and you kill one duck with each of six shots over the course of a morning or evening, that would be considered shooting multiple times. That does not mean that someone has to jump up and unload their gun as fast as possible. Multiple Chances in this case means that you have the opportunity to fire your gun one to three times when birds are within range. It's up to the shooter to decide what is within reason as to how many shots they take.
Your pimping/advertising the product; same as spaming.
Quote from: TrophyTracker on June 21, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on June 21, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
spam post..
Negative.
Spammers don't usually come back and chat with the other members. There is no link directing anyone to a site to buy cheap Nike's from Asia.
This is an informative post to show members a brand new option that they can look forward to in the upcoming months, when they will be patterning guns and getting ready for the Waterfowl seasons ahead. I don't care what they end up buying, as it's their choice. Times are tough out there, and people will shoot the best that they can afford, or what works best in their guns. I respect that. I just had the chance to show them a new choice that they may or may not have even known about.
I hope to see the return of the Waterfowl Thread on here, so we can all keep in touch, and share success pics, sunrises, and good times, as well as stories over the course of the season ahead.
Going by the post directly after my original, and the post directly after your original on the topic, it is clear that some members actually appreciate the information provided.
Information is the reason many people come to forums, be it on tips, ideas, to look at pics of successful hunts, or to get the scoop on what's new on the scene, among others. This would fall into sharing the latest info on a product that some people would be interested in. The header wasn't mislabled. It was directed towards waterfowlers. There used to be a thread dedicated specifically to Waterfowling here, and that is where it would have gone, so that only those interested would have the option of taking a look.
I dont know, it just seems like this product is giving the same impression as the "75 yard shot" the mag blend add gave. Also at 2.50 a shell, no way could I afford to shoot them. Only way i could shoot them would be to let the ducks land in a decoy spread, then pop them on the water.
I guess it's kinda like turkey hunting then...... there is calling them into the gun.... then there is spot/stalk, then there is bushwhacking them......
Whatever floats your boat bud.....
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Or, as a prime example of different shades of the same color; There is sitting in a pop up ground blind, while calling gobblers in, sitting under a tree with no blind, While calling them in, using a full strut decoy and a couple of hen dekes(while calling them in), or using No decoys and making him come look for you, still... by calling him in.
The choices are infinate, but as long as it's done within what the law allows, it is indeed legit. There will always be those out there who thinks their way is the most sporting, best,etc. That's a matter of opinion on each persons part, and I respect everybody's just the same.
Quote from: Bad Grizzly on June 21, 2012, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: TrophyTracker on June 21, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
I'm looking forward to the #5's myself. Part of the fun in duck hunting is pushing yourself to the max, and having multiple chances at pulling the trigger. New loads and such add to the fun for me. Good luck to you this season.
What it is, is giving more yahoos a "license" to the Sky Busters Club....... There are enough A$$ hats out there now that need to learn self control or brush up on their duck hunting skills. Nothing pisses me off more than to have a group of mallards swing out and begin to circle back, and someone in another blind raises up and fires off all 3 rounds in a hail-mary volley at birds entirely too far out of range.... which ruins it for others hoping to decoy them within range.
The whole idea is to decoy them in close and then shoot them as they pass within ethical range. Longer shots equate to more cripples and lost birds. You can bet those "lost" birds are not counted as part of many hunters' daily take either!!
You do your part and get them ducks in close..... those cheaper steel shot shells work just fine!!
I'm with Bad Grizzly on this issue, but probably because we grew up hunting one of the most notorious waterfowl destinations in Tennessee. This area produces some the highest harvests each winter in the whole southeast, but it also pulls every pro staffer wannabe to the area each winter. These are the folks that usually hunt in places where ducks aren't plentiful, so they may kill 10 ducks a year there and be heroes. Then they bring their hero pride to an area where the locals are accustomed to killing maybe 1000 ducks per year. That leaves a big gap in the "learning curve," since being the best in your respective area may not have given you the "experience" you thought you had to compete against the locals. What that gap in experience levels typically leads to is a tremendous amount of sky busting by the non-locals. I've seen it for the past 25 years here. The super shells with false advertising can and does lead them to try to miss ducks even farther than they already do.
On a positive note, i've hunted areas where ducks aren't plentiful and the locals are proud if they get one passing shot in a morning. These shells may be ideal for those guys.
It's always a lose/lose situation on forums when it comes down to being associated with a company. There are those who will have issue with it and those who don't,yet won't say for fear of being unpopular among the crowd. I have been a member of this forum for many years, and know how it goes. I have been associated with EM for a couple of seasons now. Loading down a signature with Pro Staffs certainly does not buy cred. Leaving them out will raise questions in certain situations. People will always think that you are pushing an agenda either way. That's fair enough. Everybody can't be made happy.
One thing I will say is that sales of product do not help nor hinder my status with them in any way. I am provided with more experience with certain products than most, and when asked about it, am afforded the ability to provide input over a range of situations on the subject. In other situations, such as with this load, I am able to share info on it that is available before any other outlets and inform those who are interested in knowing more. I'm not a fan of "Spy Shot" hype. I like what is, and the final product.
I am not one who "Drinks the Kool Aid" and will try and tell everyone that these products are the only way to kill animals. If there is something better out there, all I can do is try and help to develop a product that is better for next year. If people are happy and killing ducks or turkeys with Federal, Winchester, Kent, or any of the other brands, that is ok with me. I am glad they are out there living the dream. I use what works for me, and share my knowledge, and hope that it helps others out there. We are all on the same team as hunters. That's a connection that spans farther than any single factory affiliation. I like to look at pics of dead birds, oldschool guns, kids with their first birds, and other things as much as anybody else. If people don't like the brand I represent, I can respect their opinion. As long as it comes from personal experience, and not from trying to look cool in front of their peers because it's the popular trend at the time. If they have a problem, I will do my best to help them correct it with what resources that I have. The main reason that I got involved in what I do was to help others enjoy their time outdoors. Not to get free stuff, or look cool, or Lord my clout all over others and brow beat them.
I draw the line when accusations of breaking the law, or being unethical come into play. I will be the first to admit that there are some bozos out there, who claim "Pro" status, and abuse the great responsability that has come their way. I would hope that I myself wasn't lumped into that category. I am always available here, or on the EM forum to help in any way that I can.
If I am not welcome here, and it is agreed upon by the majority, then please PM me, and let me know, and I will leave. If you don't have a problem with me, personally, then jump in and lets all chat about killing some birds, or some OG style Bottomland, or whatever else is goin on.
Thank you,
Chad
Chad, I'm not sure, but think these guys are lumping you with the other guy in here who vehemently denies any link with EM but spouts on endlessly about them. Personally, I have no dog in this fight. I used to duck hunt some, even tried the old hevi-shot in the kinda clear looking hulls (I won a box as a door prize) and bismuth too. If I decide to hunt waterfowl this season, I may try a box or 2 because I know I won't shoot many.
Quote from: Clif Owen on June 23, 2012, 09:00:48 PM
Chad, I'm not sure, but think these guys are lumping you with the other guy in here who vehemently denies any link with EM but spouts on endlessly about them. Personally, I have no dog in this fight. I used to duck hunt some, even tried the old hevi-shot in the kinda clear looking hulls (I won a box as a door prize) and bismuth too. If I decide to hunt waterfowl this season, I may try a box or 2 because I know I won't shoot many.
Cool deal, Clif. I hope you do decide to get out and pound some ducks this year. Those sunrises out there can't be beat!
I have been a member here for many years, and know there have been some people pushing one brand or the other hard. I have learned it's not "What you say, but how you say it". Threads that start out as "Vs." threads, are not the way to go. Treating other members like they just fell off a turnip truck isn't good either. There are a lot of very knowledgable and experienced members here, as well as on other forums. Insulting their intelligence is not a way to win friends or build trust in a brand. I want to go on record as standing on my own, and am not sure who the other guy is you speak of. I hope to help turn a page, and help build a good relationship with everyone here.
Good luck this season, and again, I hope you get out and bust some bills!
Thanks for the vote of confidence, John.
I can be found here, on the Hevi Forum, or on the Quaker Boy forum. If anyone has a question or needs help. I will give a firsthand answer, or get it direct from the top as quick as possible if I can't. I am proud to be a part of the EM family, and want everyone who uses Hevi-Shot products to be proud as well, and have total trust in what they are sending out of their guns. I can't change the past, as it was before my time, but the future is wide open.
The next step I would like to see is the Waterfowl Thread returned to the list here. I've just got over my Turkey Blues, and am itching to get the Duck and Goods talk going! :)
Chad I sure wish you could convince EM to start back producing 3.5" 12 Ga. #6 1 3/4 oz. Hevishot 13.
When I run out of these shells it looks like I will have to go to Nitro Ammunition to load my shells.
Quote from: Sherrell on June 24, 2012, 07:50:22 AM
Chad I sure wish you could convince EM to start back producing 3.5" 12 Ga. #6 1 3/4 oz. Hevishot 13.
When I run out of these shells it looks like I will have to go to Nitro Ammunition to load my shells.
I will see to it that this request is put through, and noted. There are some pet loads that people really do miss, and leave no stone unturned or search every shelf at Mom n Pop shops for. When you find one that works, it's hard to see them go
Quote from: Bad Grizzly on June 24, 2012, 01:42:07 AM
TT, I have no issue with you or you advertising your product as something new to be looking out for....
What I do have an issue with is it giving the "idea" to some that they will have no range restrictions and yet more sky-busting is the end result....
I don't care what method duck hunters use as long as it's legal.... But I have no use for sky-busters.... and would just as soon piss on them.....
Now if a fellow is that good and he can CONSTANTLY bust a bird at 50 yds when he pulls the trigger, well that is a different situation..... I am referring to the blinds where 1-6-8 guys empty out on a duck(s) and never even draw a feather..... simply because they are trying to shoot past their abilities range..... and most of the time, screws the other blinds in the area over because no the ducks are getting the he11 out of there!!!
I'm with ya on the Sky Busters. They come in so many forms. From the overexcited, to the inexperienced, to the ones with just pure bad range estimation, that it's hard to pick them out of a crowd at the boat ramp, lol. Either way, they bite. Land to hunt is so limited that it is difficult to get away from them. We can only adapt and overcome. For me personally, that's why I started getting more mobile and using the kayak to get in different hot zones as the morning unfolds, and the busters start mixing it up.
Quote from: TrophyTracker on June 24, 2012, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Sherrell on June 24, 2012, 07:50:22 AM
Chad I sure wish you could convince EM to start back producing 3.5" 12 Ga. #6 1 3/4 oz. Hevishot 13.
When I run out of these shells it looks like I will have to go to Nitro Ammunition to load my shells.
I will see to it that this request is put through, and noted. There are some pet loads that people really do miss, and leave no stone unturned or search every shelf at Mom n Pop shops for. When you find one that works, it's hard to see them go
Thank you sir.
You got it.