I heard about this on the radio the other day. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is trying to determine whether they should add the Eastern Diamondback to the Endangered Species list.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112534051/endangered-species-status-considered-for-eastern-diamondback/
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2012/eastern-diamondback-rattlesnake-05-09-2012.html
http://www.fws.gov/southeast/news/2012/024.html
I know a place in Central Florida where they can get all they want for relocation. Hmmm, maybe I should form the NEDF and provide some boxes.
If I walk up on one it's gonna be an endangered specie for sure.
Im prolly gonna kill every one I see...killed this one a few weeks ago circling on some birds...I stepped about 6 inches from him coiled up under a bush. He never moved
..he had apparently just ate something ...2 big lumps in him.
5' and got $2/foot for him!
Bad idea IMO........
The whole use of the Endangered Species "List" is abused. There are more snakes around than people realize.
A guy I know was on a quad ride just a few weeks ago here in PA. They went up to a look-out point on foot and had a run-in with about 6 different eastern DB's. And this was in one spot.
If individual states want to protect them, that's one thing. But for the Feds to do it across the country, he!! no.
Wow, this is a tough call. I hate to think of us loosing such a species, but dang I don't ever want to run into another one. These are FREEKIN big snakes. The timbers we have are nothing in comparison. Nor are water moccasins even though they have relatively worse aggressive nature. We are just on the north edge of the range in south Alabama. I have only ever encountered one long time ago but by all rights he should have had me. They are the only snake I fear a snake boot won't stop.
Quote from: slickyboyboo on May 21, 2012, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: Grunt-N-Gobble on May 21, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
Bad idea IMO........
The whole use of the Endangered Species "List" is abused. There are more snakes around than people realize.
A guy I know was on a quad ride just a few weeks ago here in PA. They went up to a look-out point on foot and had a run-in with about 6 different eastern DB's. And this was in one spot.
If individual states want to protect them, that's one thing. But for the Feds to do it across the country, he!! no.
Wrong answer, your friend didn't run into any Eastern Diamondbacks in PA, because their range doesn't extend that far north. He may have run into a Timber Rattler, but not an Eastern Diamondback. The Timber Rattler thrives in a completely different habitat.
Well then school me............What is the range of the Eastern DB and are there really that few of them in said range?
Quote from: Skeeterbait on May 21, 2012, 01:41:35 PM
Wow, this is a tough call. I hate to think of us loosing such a species, but dang I don't ever want to run into another one. These are FREEKIN big snakes. The timbers we have are nothing in comparison. Nor are water moccasins even though they have relatively worse aggressive nature. We are just on the north edge of the range in south Alabama. I have only ever encountered one long time ago but by all rights he should have had me. They are the only snake I fear a snake boot won't stop.
I was just thinking after reading this post, i wonder who determines if our boots are actually snake proof? I wonder who would try them on and test 'em out.
Kinda like the shark suit, someone has to give it a try to make sure it would work :funnyturkey:
I know where plenty of are here is SC. Does not mean they are all over but just happen to like this piece of ground. If they need protecting then I am ok for it, but I only kill one around a house or if I am threatened by him in the woods. I try to leave them alone when I see them but if they are between me and where I am trying go get and there is no other way than it is on him if he does not move.
They are beautiful creatures and I think it would be bad for them not be in there natural ranges. If they are in the woods away from harming a person than I think they should be left alone.
Range:
only good snake is a dead snake :fud:
if it dosen't have shoulders kill it.
:agreed: :fud:
Quote from: stone road turkey calls on May 21, 2012, 02:30:21 PM
if it dosen't have shoulders kill it.
Considering there are only a few venimous species of snakes around here, I let all the non venimous snakes pass. No sense killing something I dont eat and that aint gonna hurt me.
We have to worry about:
Canebreak Rattle Snake
Pygmy Rattle Snake
Copper Heads
Water Mochasins (Cotton Mouths)
Coral Snakes
Quote from: slickyboyboo on May 21, 2012, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: TeocTom on May 21, 2012, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: Skeeterbait on May 21, 2012, 01:41:35 PM
Wow, this is a tough call. I hate to think of us loosing such a species, but dang I don't ever want to run into another one. These are FREEKIN big snakes. The timbers we have are nothing in comparison. Nor are water moccasins even though they have relatively worse aggressive nature. We are just on the north edge of the range in south Alabama. I have only ever encountered one long time ago but by all rights he should have had me. They are the only snake I fear a snake boot won't stop.
I was just thinking after reading this post, i wonder who determines if our boots are actually snake proof? I wonder who would try them on and test 'em out.
Kinda like the shark suit, someone has to give it a try to make sure it would work :funnyturkey:
I tested a pair out, in 2004. Had a 4.5' water moccasin pop me in the ankle, the second weekend of turkey season. They were snake proof, but it felt like someone hit me in the ankle with a framing hammer, and left a nasty bruise.
I know quite A few rattlesnake wranglers. They all wear chaps. I asked them why and everyone says Eastern will and can hit you above the boot. We have Easterns, timbers, and pigmies here in GA. Our barrier islands have some of the highest concentrations per square mile of anywhere in the US and they get BIG. When I was little we used to hunt them. I have a picture of my neighbor, he is 6'5" with his arms straight up he has an Eastern in each hand, without their heads and they are touching the ground. The old hunting grounds is now a public running/walking trail.
PS.....I haven't ever killed one, I let them live, but if I had to....dead without thinking.
Quote from: slickyboyboo on May 21, 2012, 12:55:21 PMWrong answer, your friend didn't run into any Eastern Diamondbacks in PA, because their range doesn't extend that far north. He may have run into a Timber Rattler, but not an Eastern Diamondback. The Timber Rattler thrives in a completely different habitat.
Not completely different, there is an overlap of timbers and EDB in GA. Plenty of hunting clubs in middle/south GA have the hides to prove it.
Placing a venomous snake that presents a threat to persons and their pets on the threatened or endangered list would be a mistake. The definition of take is so broad that anyone threatened on his own property, even a visitor to the curtilage of the home, would be a violator. People don't need to catch and relocate rattlers, it's far too dangerous for casual Joe, and they don't need them lurking in their yards or under the house. They can't coexist in residential areas or around barns. Even in a hunting camp. A move like listing the EDB and making people criminals for killing snakes that must be killed is exactly what undermines public support for the ESA.
If one bites me, chances are good it will be on the rear end!
where you guys get your information from huh ? let me inject myself into this situation - first of that there map shown before is all wrong , let me give you the updated version clearly outlining where the eastern drops off and the Osceola diamondback species lives and flourishes - My Pennsylvanian comarads wanted me to include their species in there for reference purposes so that you can reconnoiter yourself correctly when you look at this updated map - no need to thank me --Shannon
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/OldGobbler1/xxdiamondback2-1-1-1.jpg)
Let me guess... The osceola average lighter body weight but longer fangs?
And they don't rattle as much.
Choot em liz Choot em
only good snake is a dead snake. i hate em
There is on occasion that big EDB's can be found farther north. The reason I say that is because I remember my Dad abruptly ending ones existence when we happened upon him while squirrel hunting in the MS delta near the river. Wish I had a picture, but I remember that he was dang near 6 ft long and as big around as a softball.